2fat2fly 0 #26 November 2, 2007 You need to do a better job of quantifying that. What percentage of the time do you truely hate statistics? What percentage of the time does statistics just make you uncomfortable? What percentage of the time does statistics not impact your life. See, don't you feel better now that you'v ebroken it down?I am not the man. But the man knows my name...and he's worried Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #27 November 2, 2007 Don't worry, like your kid always said, "you'll never use it again" [linz whispers under her breath]"Better learn this shit now[/linz whispers under her breath]. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VideoFly 0 #28 November 2, 2007 I took all of the statistics courses before calculators and computers. Although it took several legal pads to work through ANOVA’s, MANOVA’s, factor analyses and meta-analyses, I think that working through problems by hand helped keep me aware of exactly what was happening throughout the process. You might want to try T tests and other analyses by hand before moving to calculators. It is time consuming, but you might understand the processes better. It’s kind of like learning to become altitude aware and judge fall rates before using dytters and protracks. If not, just get real familiar with keystroke processes on your calculator. There are great tutorials on line. Check the web sites of your calculator manufacturer and/or computer programs. If those don’t work, check web sites of high school geeks. They really have it down and they love to share information. As far as 78% of statistics being made up…you tell me the results you want and I can derive a research design and formula to prove it. Mark Twain popularized a summary hierarchy of lies attributed to Benjamin Disraeli: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #29 November 2, 2007 girl, I have a bachelor's in stats. If this is a stats class at a JC, then it would be a piece of cake for me. This beautiful weather may force me to go jumping a consecutive weekend. If you bring your homework to Byron on Saturday I be able to spend a few minutes helping you, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #30 November 2, 2007 QuoteI took all of the statistics courses before calculators and computers. Although it took several legal pads to work through ANOVA’s, MANOVA’s, factor analyses and meta-analyses, I think that working through problems by hand helped keep me aware of exactly what was happening throughout the process. You might want to try T tests and other analyses by hand before moving to calculators. It is time consuming, but you might understand the processes better. It’s kind of like learning to become altitude aware and judge fall rates before using dytters and protracks. If not, just get real familiar with keystroke processes on your calculator. There are great tutorials on line. Check the web sites of your calculator manufacturer and/or computer programs. If those don’t work, check web sites of high school geeks. They really have it down and they love to share information. As far as 78% of statistics being made up…you tell me the results you want and I can derive a research design and formula to prove it. Mark Twain popularized a summary hierarchy of lies attributed to Benjamin Disraeli: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." Mmmmm.....ANOVA tables.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #31 November 2, 2007 Quote What's the confidence level? One minus fucking alpha. But I only know that cuz that's what we covered in class today. I am 97% sure that I'm not gonna kill anybody tonight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFKING 4 #32 November 2, 2007 Quote Not if she's an outlier. I think she's proven that she is. Don"When in doubt I whip it out, I got me a rock-and-roll band. It's a free-for-all." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #33 November 2, 2007 Quote Look on the bright side.....at least you're helping the curve. Did I mention that this is an honors class? There ain't no curve. Even if there were, the kid who got 102% on the last test would've fucked it all up anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #34 November 2, 2007 QuoteI'm sitting here writing this freakin' 12-14 page history paper. 12-14 pages were assigned? That's sadistic. I'm on my fourth history class and haven't had to do more than 4 pages on any paper. But of course I can't stop at just four pages... mine end up being 6-10... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grannyinthesky 0 #35 November 2, 2007 But math is almost as much fun as jumping!!! Of course I may be slightl biased being a math instructor. Look at math as a challenge to be conquered."safety first... and What the hell..... safety second, Too!!! " ~~jmy POPS #10490 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #36 November 2, 2007 QuoteQuoteI will be freaking ecstatic when this semester is over and I never ever EVER have to take another fucking math class. Ha! I'm just the opposite. I'm sitting here writing this freakin' 12-14 page history paper. I'm now about half way through, and the only thing that is keeping me going is knowing that if I finish this class it should be the last essay-writing class I'll ever have to take. (I actually enjoy history; I just don't like writing papers.) I'm great at history, and at writing history papers... never gotten anything worse than a B+ on any of them. What's your topic??"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #37 November 2, 2007 Quote 12-14 pages were assigned? That's sadistic. Yes, it is sadistic. So it's surprising that I don't like it. It's an online class, so our grade consists of a midterm paper and a final paper, each 12-14 pages long and each worth 30% of our grade. But we get to choose four different topics for each, so it's more like writing four shorter papers at once. And we don't have to do the MLA or APA citation crap for these. Then we have to do one formal research paper (at least five pages), which is also worth 30%. The other 10% is from discussion questions, which is similar to posting in Speaker's Corner except that people aren't acting like assholes since their grade depends on it. I prefer math and science classes (mostly science), but I'm only in College Algebra right now, so I might change my mind when I get to the harder classes. But algebra is like working puzzles, so I find it to be sort of fun. Writing papers sucks ass though, and I don't like it because the grades are subjective rather than there being a clear right or wrong answer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grannyinthesky 0 #38 November 2, 2007 Math is much more fun than writing papers. It makes sense."safety first... and What the hell..... safety second, Too!!! " ~~jmy POPS #10490 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #39 November 2, 2007 Quote Writing papers sucks ass though, and I don't like it because the grades are subjective rather than there being a clear right or wrong answer. After doing a "writers workshop" or three in comp classes, I can't imagine how much it must suck to have to grade papers. If your teachers are anything like mine, as long as you can use the spelling and grammar check on your word processing program and write decent paragraphs, you're golden. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #40 November 2, 2007 Quote What's your topic?? Well, it's a mixture of topics, but combining how they all relate to each other: the Protestant Reformation, Scientific Revolution, the Enlightenment, the Columbian Exchange, colonization of the Americas, the Catholic Church, capitalism and mercantilism, the African slave trade, and the Industrial Revolution. It's all interesting stuff. I just don't like writing papers, though I usually get good grades on them anyway. I used to find it helpful to get rather intoxicated while writing these silly papers... until that one political science paper that I wrote and turned in while extremely drunk (also an online class)... The topic was gay marriage, and I somehow managed to work in the facts that Clinton got a blowjob and that Catholic priests molest little boys. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #41 November 2, 2007 Quote Quote I used to find it helpful to get rather intoxicated while writing these silly papers... until that one political science paper that I wrote and turned in while extremely drunk (also an online class)... The topic was gay marriage, and I somehow managed to work in the facts that Clinton got a blowjob and that Catholic priests molest little boys. I'm sure THAT was the most interesting paper for the teacher to read! "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #42 November 2, 2007 Quote After doing a "writers workshop" or three in comp classes, I can't imagine how much it must suck to have to grade papers. If your teachers are anything like mine, as long as you can use the spelling and grammar check on your word processing program and write decent paragraphs, you're golden. Well see, that's one of the reasons I hate writing them. I feel like I have to put a lot of effort into it, and I'm thinking that they're probably not even reading it. (Except for that poli sci teacher; he definitely read that paper. ) Hmm, maybe I should go back to writing them while drunk... as long as I have time to read them again while sober before turning them in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #43 November 2, 2007 Quote Quote Quote I used to find it helpful to get rather intoxicated while writing these silly papers... until that one political science paper that I wrote and turned in while extremely drunk (also an online class)... The topic was gay marriage, and I somehow managed to work in the facts that Clinton got a blowjob and that Catholic priests molest little boys. I'm sure THAT was the most interesting paper for the teacher to read! Perhaps, but he did NOT have anything nice to say about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ironmanjay 0 #44 November 2, 2007 Hmm that sucks I hate school too right now. Lets just quite RIGHT NOW.... FUCK SCHOOL LOL Let me tell you about staphylecoccous aures or plasmodium falcerum . Stupid F in micro biology I FEEL YOUR PAIN Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
longtall 0 #45 November 2, 2007 1 in 3 people hate stats...................J..................." 90 right, five miles then cut."---Pukin Buzzards Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SarahC07 0 #46 November 2, 2007 I'm really sorry. I hated history classes.... I like history but I hate reading all the shit. I made a B & a C in the two I took. On the other hand, I loved and aced 9 hours of stat. Please don't hurt me. Like someone mentioned before, either it clicks or it doesn't... the only tip I have for you is to recognize patterns. When we learned confidence intervals I had to reread one paragraph in my book like 5 times before I went.... Ohhhh, ok I get it. Best of luck. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #47 November 2, 2007 Quote1 in 3 people hate stats...................J................... I love stats... I'm a numbers cruncher of sorts..."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #48 November 2, 2007 Quote In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12-14 pages were assigned? That's sadistic. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, it is sadistic. So it's surprising that I don't like it. Bawaahaaaa! I love business school. Most profs say dont write more then 2 pages. Heck, some say they'll stop reading after 2! lolRemster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #49 November 2, 2007 Quote Stupid F in micro biology Micro was one of my favorite classes. Except that my Bacillus megaterium "unknown" was completely contaminated with Staphylococcus aureus, so most of the tests came out wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
