A question about sign language

[Twoply 0]

When people are signing to one another, do the include words such as "the, a, over, of, this..."

I speak german and used to speak spanish often so I understand there may not be a literal translation. Does one sign the main words of conversation or is it like a complete sentence?

[jtval 0]

I always wondered if Signers ever stutter.

(sorry, I don't mean to hijack your thread)

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[Twoply 0]

Why did you capitalize signers? Is that proper?

[jtval 0]

Have you seen my typing?

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[cocheese 0]

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Why did you capitalize signers? Is that proper?

It's so they can hear it better.

[DFWAJG 4]

Signers generally use "pig latin." While American Sign Language is supposed to use "a, the, etc.", in practice, the deaf community does not "talk" the way the hearing community speaks.

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if only someone on dz.com knew sing language.

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[skysprite 0]

Imagine a line. On one end you have Signed English, which is exactly what it sounds like. Every single english word is represented. On the other end is ASL (American Sign Language), which really is its own language with its own grammar and syntax. In the middle is Pidgin Signed English which essentially combines the two, but doesn't follow strict rules from either.

To answer your question (and anyone knowing better please feel free to correct me if you disagree), the, a, of, would have a representation in Signed English, and possibly Pidgin Signed English depending who you are and who you're signing with, but not ASL.

Sign systems are a totally different animal, and I've only come across those in a classroom setting and one or two older Deaf people who grew up learning them.

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[cocheese 0]

Swedishcelt knows it.

[WatchYourStep 0]

I took ASL for 2 years in college and had a blast. I'm no expert in the area so take my information at that.

In ASL the sentence structure goes Time, Object, Subject, Verb.

So there's no real need for; the or a, etc. Or(s) and and(s) are used when needed.

"You start off your skydiving career with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience up before your bag of luck runs out."

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i heard there's another guy here that knows it, but he doesn't post very much and he only posts innocent wholesome stuff.

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[jumpoutnow 0]

Ask Billy Vance. He is deaf. I think he knows sign language.

People are crazy. Cuz there's more of 'em.

[2fat2fly 0]

I think he's gotten rusty since he discovered text messages

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[JeffD 0]

Signing "A", "the", and the like would just add to the workout and or confusion. I had the opportunity to work with a HH individual for about a year. All the stories he told (after he taught me quite a bit of ASL, and if not he'd just open notepad on his laptop and type it in) were somewhat disappointing. So many people will take advantage of the HH individuals car shops, other point of sales, just because more likely than not the individual has no experience in it or the translator doesn't either.


But heres a text message he sent me.

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Really??? That great!! I just mini vacation just long weekend off start
this firday to tues back work wed. :) welcome back in lab!

But a hearing person would probably say:
Really??? Thats great! I am just on a mini vacation, I got the whole weekend off starting friday. Then Wednesday its back to work. Welcome back to the lab!

The first is not a whole lot shorter but it still conveys the whole meaning.

[BillyVance 34]

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Ask Billy Vance. He is deaf. I think he knows sign language.

I do. I just don't use it around you fucktards.

j/k
ASL does NOT use every little word in the English language, such as "a", "the", etc. It would get incredibly boring. However, there are two main styles of sign language in the U.S. - ASL, which is more of a fluid picturesque language, and S.E. (signed english) I think it's called, which does use signs for every word. I know schools for the deaf forced the use of the latter to make sure the students learned English the proper way. I don't know what they do now.

An example: S.E. - you would sign the following sentence as is - "I am going to skydive today"

ASL - "me go skydive today"

ASL's version takes maybe 1/3 to 1/2 the time to sign the sentence than the S.E. version.

Anybody that was at The Farm last year would remember seeing me communicate with deaf AFF student Billy Lane in ASL.

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[SBS 0]

People have already responded regarding ASL vs. Signed English. I used to sign pretty well, and when people would ask me how many languages I knew, I would say 4, considering ASL a language. The point may be arguable, but it has its own grammatical structure and rules, and is not, as many believe, just a visual representation of English. I think of it like written Chinese or Japanese...you can read it in English, but it is a representation of concepts.

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[Twoply 0]

Does sign language cross language ie: signing "I'm going jumping tonight."

Do you use the same gestures to a spanish speaker?

[SBS 0]

Nope.

I don't know how different Spanish Sign is from ASL, but I know German Sign is significantly different.

A deaf mother/daughter pair came into the DZ one day and I took the daughter on a jump. When I was instructing them on the ground, she told me to talk to her and then give her time to translate for her mom. Later when I asked why that was, she said that they were German.

(that said, I'm sure there are signs that would be the same in other languages and I would guess that something simple like "jump" would be strikingly similar)

Here is a chart of letters for fingerspelling in Spanish. A lot of them are the same, but some are significantly different.
http://www.deafblind.com/spain.html

Here is ASL
http://www.asl.ms/()/fingerspellingchart.htm

Look at F, H, O, P, Q, S, T, and U.

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if only someone on dz.com knew sing language.

I'm pretty good at sing language.
Billy Vance is really good at sign language. He even taught me to sign "Rock Island". Oh, and I can sing it too.

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[Twoply 0]

ASL - "me go skydive today"

That was proper grammer in my house when growing up.
There was also no talking while eating and no eye contact with dad. He saw it as a sign of aggression.

[jtval 0]

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An example: S.E. - you would sign the following sentence as is - "I am going to skydive today"

ASL - "me go skydive today"

So, what your saying is that most spanish speaking people "speak" sign language?
It's been a long time since I spoke spanish but I remember it to be the same. Which is also why they speak "broken" english.

I'm curious how the sentence structure compares to spanish

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[DFWAJG 4]

Pidgin Signed English

thank you skysprite. I remembered the correct term at about one in the morning!

[BillyVance 34]

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An example: S.E. - you would sign the following sentence as is - "I am going to skydive today"

ASL - "me go skydive today"

So, what your saying is that most spanish speaking people "speak" sign language?
It's been a long time since I spoke spanish but I remember it to be the same. Which is also why they speak "broken" english.

I'm curious how the sentence structure compares to spanish

Funny that you mention it, actually, the sentence structure of ASL is very similar to the French and Spanish language. The man who invented ASL was French. Who knew they were good for something?

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