Real reason the WFFC was cancelled?

[Snowwhite 0]

I have taken a year of jumping and am starting to crave for a big boogie. I must say it has been nice spending weekends with my girlfriend for the first time in our 5 year relationship

I have also spent more time with Streaker this year, than I have in any year since I started with the WFFC. Don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.


Personally, I'm thinking about squatting on the Rantoul Air base, and claiming it in the name of skydivers everywhere. Anybody know where I can get
a lawyer or judge who is good in adverse
possession? Heck we did a lot more in improvements on that property than most folks do in a lifetime.
Hope to see you in 08 BigWay!

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freefallbeth@yahoo.com

[Jewels 0]

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Take a look at the video found on the www.landgrabber.org site:

http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=4844534&version=1&locale=EN-US

There seems to be a lack of any evidence the claimants ever used that land.

Very clearly, there is still the misperception that I am arguing on behalf of the judge and attorney. The only thing I am arguing is that they are entitled to bring the lawsuit without being disbarred. I have NOTHING against the Kirlins and wish them well. And no, I'm not going to go look at the video. It's missing the point. I've said more than once that adverse possession is fact intensive and I don't know the facts. The points I have tried to make do not hinge on the specific facts of the Kirlins' case.

My points are essentially this:

-Our society allows people to bring lawsuits. If the shoe was on the other foot, many people would be clamoring to "have their day in court." Having your day in court is not the same thing as guaranteeing a win.

-Sometimes the problem is not the plaintiff; sometimes it's the court that hears the case (in which case you may consider an appeal), sometimes it's the law that leads to a given result (in which case, it's time to change the law, and sometimes it's something altogether different.

-Sometimes seemingly "unfair" results arise because wonderful people haven't taken enough measures to protect their rights. I'm not saying the Kirlins failed to adequately protect their rights or that it's their "fault" that they lost the case. It's a broad statement.

Anyway, I don't want this to go to SC--there's a reason I stay out of that place!
In any event, it sounds like the lawsuit wasn't behind the cancellation, anyway. To the extent that's true, let's get this thread back on track.

TPM Sister #102

[ryoder 1,590]

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Very clearly, there is still the misperception that I am arguing on behalf of the judge and attorney. The only thing I am arguing is that they are entitled to bring the lawsuit without being disbarred.

You do understand the judge and attorney are the neighbors, right? We are talking about the people who are claiming the land, not a hired attorney and the judge who presided over the court. If the facts bear out that the court action they initiated was in fact baseless, and that they lied about using the land, would you still argue against disbarment?

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[Jewels 0]

Yes, I understand who they are. Attorney discipline is important and I'm all for it when it's deserved. We have a professional responsibility of candor to the tribunal and perjury would definitely cross that line. I've never argued against that. I am now tired of telling you that I am not arguing the facts in this case, that that was never my point or my goal. This is the last time I'm telling you that.

Abuse of the system can and does happen. On the other hand, the court reached its conclusions based on the evidence and testimony before it. The original question to which I responded pertained to wondering what the other side of the story is. There apparently IS another side, or the outcome of the case would've been different.

I've said all I can say on this subject and have already moved into repeating myself. There's no need for that, so I'm done.

TPM Sister #102

[Andy9o8 3]

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Only in America!

Thanks for reminding us why we kicked the Redcoats' butts!

Adverse possession exists throughout the world, including England and Wales, where it's existed practically since the Magna Carta.

Keep it up, ya Tory!

[Andy9o8 3]

Guys, I find what happened to Don and Susie very upsetting, too. Even understanding the technicalities as I do, and realizing I haven't heard much of the other side of the story, it offends my visceral sense of moral justice.

That being said, please stop getting pissy with Jewels, and read what she wrote carefully - for it happens to all be correct. She's not advocating or defending anything; she's just analyzing clinically for the sake of educating people.

[Meux 0]

It is a sad day when things like this happen and there isn't universal outrage.

My very limited experience with lawyers is that they have a very different sense of what is right and wrong.

Actually, I'd say they care less less about what is right or wrong. They present evidence that can easily be manufactored and say, "Based on the evidence"

I'd love to kill this thread by saying a sincere, "Happy Thanksgiving to all"

MH

[CSpenceFLY 1]

Our legal system(in the US) has nothing to do with right, wrong or finding the truth. It is about winning at almost any cost. I don't see how people do what these people are doing and sleep at night. I wonder what the other neighbors think about this?

[Andy9o8 3]

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My very limited experience with lawyers is that they have a very different sense of what is right and wrong

That is an incredibly ignorant statement.

Speaking as someone who's been alive for a half a century, has raised 2 kids to have high moral standards, has what I consider to be a very heightened sense of right and wrong, and happens to be a lawyer, I can tell you youre right:
You have very limited experience.

And no, I'm not the exception to the rule.

I generally don't rise to the bait of ignorant lawyer-bashing, so I'm just going to leave it at that.

[skymedic 0]

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I generally don't rise to the bait of ignorant lawyer-bashing, so I'm just going to leave it at that.

Amen....There are some not great lawyers in the world. BUT I have had a couple of lawyers impact my life with my daughter and my wife in a VERY positive way. Without them I don't know if I would be in the great position I am right now.

Marc
otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman....