Trim check on a reserve

[PhreeZone 20]

How often do the riggers on this board check the line trim and specifically the brake settings on a reserve when they get one in for a repack? Do you just leave te old settings or do you take the toggles off and put them back on at every repack?

I'm trying to see if this is a common thing or if its something thats rarely done.

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[mjosparky 4]

Very good point Eric. I check to see that line length are equal but rarely check trim measurement.

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[piisfish 140]

on a "simple" repack (not jumped the reserve), would the trim change ?

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[mjosparky 4]

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on a "simple" repack (not jumped the reserve), would the trim change ?

The more I think about it the more I think it would be a good idea on a canopy you haven't done before. Just to make sure the trim is right in the first place.

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[crazydiver 0]

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on a "simple" repack (not jumped the reserve), would the trim change ?

most likely not, but if its the first time you packed something, it wouldn't be a bad idea to check the trim. I know I've heard multiple stories of reserves being inches out of trim even with no jumps on them. I would be especially interested in brake legnths more than anything to make sure they were set right from the get go.

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Travis

[riggerrob 643]

I rarely take a tape measure to the lines of a new reserve.
However, one time a reserve - last repacked in South Korea - caught my eye. The toggles were tied on 20 inches below normal!
WHy don't all reserve manufacturers (besides Strong) just fingertrap and sew the bottom ends of steering lines to eliminate this sort of silly mistake?

[mjosparky 4]

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WHy don't all reserve manufacturers (besides Strong) just fingertrap and sew the bottom ends of steering lines to eliminate this sort of silly mistake?

The only reason I can see for not doing it is cost. And the cost could not be that much.

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[airtwardo 7]

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Do you just leave the old settings or do you take the toggles off and put them back on at every repack?

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Confused here Phree..

Do you mean take the 'brakes' off...or toggles off?

I have a Strong reserve, and I bet the 'toggles' don't come off all to easy, they look like the line is tacked to the toggles as well as tied.

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[PhreeZone 20]

I can't believe that they would sew the toggles to the lines. That would mean that you would have to cut the toggles off the lines if you ever want to sell it or switch to a different reserve. Its more probable that they just sewed the finger trap on the lower break line. On most the non-Strong reserves this is not sewn.

I know roughly what looks right on the canopies I pack the most (under supervision still), but I was talking to someone that critized me that the settings might be wrong and I should remeasure all the lines on every canopy that I would ever pack even those I've packed before. I understand it the first time during assembly, but at every repack is where I was questioning it.

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[airtwardo 7]

>>That would mean that you would have to cut the toggles off the lines if you ever want to sell it or switch to a different reserve.

Okay...I'm no rigger, (obviously)
I see what you mean about cutting the toggles 'off' to change reserves, but it actually looks more like a small tack and wouldn't be much to snip.




>>Its more probable that they just sewed the finger trap on the lower break line.

Well, the finger-trap is sewn, but the 'tail' of excess is (as I recall) tacked to the toggle fabric / material as well...might just be to keep it out of the way.

Anyway, to clarify...ARE you 'supposed to' remove the 'handle' when measuring the steering line trim as was suggested to you?

Or am I misinterpreting your comment...

I doubt that has ever been done on mine.

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[councilman24 37]

Even if you want to check the toggle length you wouldn't have to untie them. You certainly could get close enough measuring with the toggles on. The stall point is going to be different for each user anyway, based on rig fit, riser length, and arm length.

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[RIGGER 0]

The Smart R & Parachutes De France (Techno R) have a sewn loop at the end of the BRK-TOG lines for the toggles.

The VR360 Tandem reserve from PD/RWS have also a sewn loop for the toggles.

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[fcajump 164]

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I can't believe that they would sew the toggles to the lines. That would mean that you would have to cut the toggles off the lines if you ever want to sell it or switch to a different reserve. Its more probable that they just sewed the finger trap on the lower break line. On most the non-Strong reserves this is not sewn.

I know roughly what looks right on the canopies I pack the most (under supervision still), but I was talking to someone that critized me that the settings might be wrong and I should remeasure all the lines on every canopy that I would ever pack even those I've packed before. I understand it the first time during assembly, but at every repack is where I was questioning it.

Actually, there is a push to get mfg's to finger-trap a loop at the location where the want the toggle. The toggle could then be installed/removed easily enough as needed, but the set point would be factory determined.

JW

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