CSpenceFLY 1 #1 January 3, 2008 I was looking at another forum the other day and you had to have two sponsors before you could read or post on the forums. Your sponsors could also withdraw their sponsorship at anytime. I'm not sure what happened if your sponsor lost their sponsor. How do you think this would effect DZ.com if a system like that was put into place? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #2 January 3, 2008 "I would never belong to a club that would have someone like me as a member" -Groucho Marx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #3 January 3, 2008 We wouldn't get as many newbies, that's about it. As idiotic as I might be, I bet I could find two similarly dim bulbs to sponsor me...and so could you! Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #4 January 3, 2008 QuoteI was looking at another forum the other day and you had to have two sponsors before you could read or post on the forums. Your sponsors could also withdraw their sponsorship at anytime. I'm not sure what happened if your sponsor lost their sponsor. How do you think this would effect DZ.com if a system like that was put into place? 1) All the idiots currently posting here could could still invite all their idiot buddies onto the forum. 2) Genuine newbies or people from small DZs with no current posters would be excluded from a vast wealth of information through no fault of their own. 3) It would just suck.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #5 January 3, 2008 Quote We wouldn't get as many newbies, that's about it. As idiotic as I might be, I bet I could find two similarly dim bulbs to sponsor me...and so could you! Hey, you could sponsor each other. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #6 January 3, 2008 what jakee said. There would be teams of assholes who disagree with each other sponsoring friends who would side with them. one side would be squeak the other would be Cocheese. which side would you be on? Me? I'd be on the right sideEDIT: More like the outside My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cocheese 0 #7 January 3, 2008 I only have two fans and one of them is an exhaust fan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #8 January 3, 2008 Quote I only have two fans and one of them is an exhaust fan Just so ya know...that guy staring at you when you look in the mirror doesn't count as being your fan... ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cocheese 0 #9 January 3, 2008 What's a mirror? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #10 January 3, 2008 I'm available to be sponsored for $250/mo. Send check or money order.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos340 1 #11 January 3, 2008 It would suck.. Plain and simple. The biggest problem I see here is that so few do the majority of the posting (Yes, I am part of that problem). There are too few new people coming in as it is. To change to even more of an elitist foundation would make it worse. I would rather find a way to bring new people out of lurk mode and into contributing than look for ways to exclude people. This site is alt like a virtual DZ, There are people I like, People that I have no opinion on and people that I dont like. Just like everywhere else. Even if people had to "Sponsored" I dont think that would change. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #12 January 3, 2008 Quote There are people I like, People that I have no opinion on and people that I dont like. Just like everywhere else. Even if people had to "Sponsored" I dont think that would change. Except you would replace the word "person" with "Team" or "clique"...or maybe "assholes" lolMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #13 January 3, 2008 I'm not saying this is a good system. I was looking at this more from the angle of if it would change peoples behavior if they knew people had to like them for them to be here. For the record with my current attitude I might be a little worried about this system. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swedishcelt 0 #14 January 3, 2008 If sponsored means that you would have to have more than one person urge you to join and post then I think that a lot of us had that. I know I did and I would bet most of the women in here would say that too... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #15 January 3, 2008 There already is Skydiving posting board like that... its called Industrial Haze... For all the things I dislike about DZ.com, not having to be "sponsored" to joing isn't one of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #16 January 3, 2008 I tried to join industrial haze years ago. I got rejected. Almost wish I was rejected by dropzone.com years ago too. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #17 January 3, 2008 Quote I tried to join industrial haze years ago. I got rejected. Almost wish I was rejected by dropzone.com years ago too. Dave I'd have my masters if I was able to be rejected by this site.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #18 January 3, 2008 QuoteI'm not saying this is a good system. I was looking at this more from the angle of if it would change peoples behavior if they knew people had to like them for them to be here. For the record with my current attitude I might be a little worried about this system. Although it is true that you and I do not always (or even often, and most probably, never) see eye-to-eye, I would sponsor you simply because it is most often vehement disagreement that gives birth to personal growth and new ideas. Moderation--of any kind--sucks for a whole host of reasons, and the requirement that someone be liked enough to gain sponsorship in order to have his or her voice heard absolutely, positively, unequivocally SUCKS. Web forums are a terrible blow to free speech and the free exchange of ideas anyway, but sponsorship is ridiculous. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #19 January 3, 2008 QuoteWeb forums are a terrible blow to free speech and the free exchange of ideas anyway, but sponsorship is ridiculous. Why do you think this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #20 January 3, 2008 QuoteI was looking at another forum the other day and you had to have two sponsors before you could read or post on the forums. Your sponsors could also withdraw their sponsorship at anytime. I'm not sure what happened if your sponsor lost their sponsor. How do you think this would effect DZ.com if a system like that was put into place? A lot of people would be asking *me* to sponsor them. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #21 January 3, 2008 QuoteModeration--of any kind--sucks for a whole host of reasons, and the requirement that someone be liked enough to gain sponsorship in order to have his or her voice heard absolutely, positively, unequivocally SUCKS. Web forums are a terrible blow to free speech and the free exchange of ideas anyway, but sponsorship is ridiculous. rl You have *got* to be kidding or just pot stirring here. You were there on rec.skydiving and saw how lack of moderation drove loads of people away. I'm a believer in free thought and communication but think it's a real stretch to say that moderation is somehow a blow to free speech. It doesn't take away anyone's freedom of *public* speech. If I say something offensive to you (and I can't even imagine what that would be) in your house then you can tell me to get the fuck out. Moderated web forums are no different. They are not really a public space. That being said, I'm no big fan of closed societies--and requiring sponsors *is* pretty much the definition of a closed society--if that's what the society wants, then I don't see a problem. The BASE jumping community was like that for years and in some areas I'm sure it still is. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #22 January 3, 2008 QuoteQuoteWeb forums are a terrible blow to free speech and the free exchange of ideas anyway, but sponsorship is ridiculous. Why do you think this? Because I know that a lot of important, relevant words are uttered by people I can't stand, just as a lot of inane nonsense is put forth by people I like a whole lot. (And I have some of both to my own credit, just like everyone else.) Usenet allows people to use killfiles--it then becomes an individual decision to turn a deaf ear to someone's words. Web forums resort to net nannies--people who are adjudged by the site owner to have "superior judgment" about what is appropriate and not (i.e., what falls within the forum guidelines). I haven't seen it happen anywhere that moderators are possessed of such traits as to enable them to put aside their personal likes and prejudices to be utterly fair in making judgments. The legal system understands the impossibility, and it maintains a system of checks and balances, but on a web forum, it comes down to the site owner saying "this is my property, and I can do what I want." Okay, fine. But that doesn't make it right and it doesn't make it fair. (The great trait of usenet is that even though individuals (just like a web forum owner, but bigger) own all those nntp servers that send the posts ever onward, you'll never catch any of them (except, of course, Microsoft, which is nothing but a big bully in every aspect of its existence) censoring the posts that go through them, except as to floods and spam. Sponsorship takes the moderation problem one step further--people are required to suck up in unnatural ways so that their voices may be heard. I do believe there are a lot of words spoken that should never be said and that those words reflect the bad character of their speaker, but I would never want to be the one to silence the voice of another*. That doesn't mean I have to listen, but there's a big difference between my refusing to read a post and someone else making the unilateral decision that no one else will read a post. "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." I'm not sure I'm explaining this very well. I'm tired. If I reread it tomorrow, and it doesn't make sense to me, I'll try to fix it. (*I would never/have never hesitated to pound on someone who voiced a pig-ignorant opinon--and I've taken a few poundings of my own when I've said/written something moronic--but that's not the same thing as killing someone's post so that no one has a chance to weigh in with their evaluation of the quality of the thought. People don't learn anything from going to the Recycle Bin. They do learn when everyone else jumps all over them and makes them think about the stupid words they've written. In a forum where remaining requires avoiding giving offense, no one learns anything.)If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
upndownshop 0 #23 January 3, 2008 Quote Quote I only have two fans and one of them is an exhaust fan Just so ya know...that guy staring at you when you look in the mirror doesn't count as being your fan... who cares did you see her avatar?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #24 January 3, 2008 QuoteI'd have my masters if I was able to be rejected by this site. That would be two of us! Moderation is like picking a lock, if you do it right no one knows you have done anything at all...Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuFantasma 0 #25 January 3, 2008 Wow, DZ.com has a 12-Step Program complete with Sponsors ?Y yo, pa' vivir con miedo, prefiero morir sonriendo, con el recuerdo vivo". - Ruben Blades, "Adan Garcia" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
