normiss 892 #1 January 25, 2008 <<<--- cricky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #2 January 25, 2008 I love it! "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #3 January 25, 2008 But everybody knows that no one in the admin of the FAA actually flies. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phipps66 0 #4 January 25, 2008 I work for the FAA and in a weird way am proud of this. Also, I fly as little as possible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #5 January 25, 2008 QuoteThe flight changes are part of a massive restructuring of the airspace over the congested corridor between New York and Philadelphia. The couple's Ridley Township home is in Delaware County, southwest of Philadelphia. The county argues in a lawsuit that the FAA's environmental-impact study violated federal regulations and that the new flight paths will only marginally reduce airport delays. Way to go guys! I'd like to tell the FAA to fornicate themselves on a regular basis, but this couple said it best (Albeit probably for different reasons than I'd like to say it). The clip I quoted here is kinda interesting. So, the FAA reroutes planes over their home, to make a small impact on the delays, and they can't do anything about it. It's a bad deal all around. I'd like to see a real, non-government BS time trial study to see really what the source of the delays are. The probably could hire out a good Industrial Engineering firm to get to the root of it. Or they could pay some fat kid on a step ladder to watch the airport and make up reasons the planes are late......=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phipps66 0 #6 January 25, 2008 I work for FAA ATO (air traffic organization) I see air traffic control on a daily basis, IMO there is just a bunch of planes in the air, a bunch of flights being scheduled, and not enough real estate on the ground, or in the air to handle it all. ATC and all it entails is inherently governmental, nothing that has to do with the safety of so many people should ever be given to a private company Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #7 January 25, 2008 QuoteATC and all it entails is inherently governmental, nothing that has to do with the safety of so many people should ever be given to a private company I'm not saying they should give it over to a private company - I'm saying I would like to see a well done, professional time trial analysis into what causes the delays, over a broad spectrum. In my experience, (as yes, I've done many studies like this as an Engineer) the government doesn't necessarily always have the right tools to get the right data.=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phipps66 0 #8 January 25, 2008 The NAS (national airspace system) is a well oiled, thoroughly greased machine, hanging on by one rusty cotter pin. It only takes a hiccup to cause a problem. Just look at what a thunderstorm can do. I can't speak for other agencies, but in my experience, the FAA has great tools and great people doing the job. Everywhere has their faults i'm sure. What kind of engineering do you do? I'm an electronic engineer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark 107 #9 January 26, 2008 QuoteQuoteATC and all it entails is inherently governmental, nothing that has to do with the safety of so many people should ever be given to a private company I'm not saying they should give it over to a private company - I'm saying I would like to see a well done, professional time trial analysis into what causes the delays, over a broad spectrum. In my experience, (as yes, I've done many studies like this as an Engineer) the government doesn't necessarily always have the right tools to get the right data. It isn't rocket surgery. One airplane on the runway at a time. One minute of runway time for a take-off or landing. So 60 take-offs or landings per hour. At some airports, there are more than 70 scheduled operations during peak hours, so delays are built in. Let's assume just landings. Airplanes 1 minute in trail at 180 knots = 3 miles apart. 60 landings per hour means the last airplane in that hour is going to travel at just 180 knots for the last hour of its approach. It doesn't matter that the airplane can go faster. It doesn't matter if military or other restricted airspace is opened. It doesn't matter if airplanes can be routed directly from one airport to the next instead of via intermediate navigation fixes. The solutions are a combination of more runways, rationing, and added fees for peak times. The best combination is a subject for Speakers Corner. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #10 January 26, 2008 I'd like to burn that into the landing area for the FAA bozo who refused to consider options to his re-routing traffic patterns to be directly over a DZ. Freakin' hard-headed, egotistical bastard. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bozo 0 #11 January 26, 2008 Quote I'd like to burn that into the landing area for the FAA bozo it wuddnt me. bozo Pain is fleeting. Glory lasts forever. Chicks dig scars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
