MikeMcLean 0 #76 February 25, 2008 Quote Maybe I should become a premium member. Then I could complain about whatever the fuck I wanted since it's no longer "free". Actually, despite the oft-repeated mantra around here this site is neither "HH's house" nor "free". You, me, everyone pays for their bandwidth (*). I am currently typing into a web form that has a flash advertisement loaded at the top of the page which was loaded using my bandwidth and therefore my dollars. You, reading this comment, are likely looking at a similar ad paid for with your bandwidth dollars. This effectively makes this site "not free". Those ads are there because collectively our eyeballs are a valuable commodity. Other people are selling that commodity for us and reaping the benefits of that sale (as a condition of being a site member). This, combined with the paid-account option, clearly and legally delineate our relationship to the site as "customer to business" not "guest in a home". Have some fun googling around the definitions in the Uniform Commercial Code, various state laws, various international laws, and in particular the case-law surrounding all of the boundary conditions related to online communities (hint, not much there which means a whole lotta gray area). (*) bandwidth charges "per MB" or "monthly flat rate" or "quota based" are irrelevant technicalities, you pay for bandwidth regardless of how it happens to be billed todayIt wouldn't hurt you to think like a fucking serial killer every once in a while - just for the sake of prevention Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DFWAJG 4 #77 February 25, 2008 Well, I watched the video last night and after 38 seconds, I had to turn it off. Then, after thinking about it after awhile, I realized that the whole thing is a fake. I don't believe they are eating doodie. The color and consitency is very much like chocolate mousse pudding. I think they probably gave themselves a chocolate mousse enema, and then expelled it into a cup for the shock factor. How trampy and low of these two girls to be so desparate for attention to have to do that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #78 February 25, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Could be. There is plenty of bitching in there. True, but that's not the special forum. Yes it is - it is the only one with it's own specific rules - and gender bias - that makes it special. It's not the one I was referring to. "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #79 February 25, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Could be. There is plenty of bitching in there. True, but that's not the special forum. Yes it is - it is the only one with it's own specific rules - and gender bias - that makes it special. It's not the one I was referring to. Which one is that, then?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #80 February 25, 2008 Quote Quote Maybe I should become a premium member. Then I could complain about whatever the fuck I wanted since it's no longer "free". Actually, despite the oft-repeated mantra around here this site is neither "HH's house" nor "free". You, me, everyone pays for their bandwidth (*). I am currently typing into a web form that has a flash advertisement loaded at the top of the page which was loaded using my bandwidth and therefore my dollars. You, reading this comment, are likely looking at a similar ad paid for with your bandwidth dollars. This effectively makes this site "not free". Those ads are there because collectively our eyeballs are a valuable commodity. Other people are selling that commodity for us and reaping the benefits of that sale (as a condition of being a site member). This, combined with the paid-account option, clearly and legally delineate our relationship to the site as "customer to business" not "guest in a home". Have some fun googling around the definitions in the Uniform Commercial Code, various state laws, various international laws, and in particular the case-law surrounding all of the boundary conditions related to online communities (hint, not much there which means a whole lotta gray area). (*) bandwidth charges "per MB" or "monthly flat rate" or "quota based" are irrelevant technicalities, you pay for bandwidth regardless of how it happens to be billed today *applause* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #81 February 25, 2008 Quote Quote It's not the one I was referring to. Which one is that, then? Sign up for a Premier membership and you'll find out. "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #82 February 25, 2008 Quote Quote Quote It's not the one I was referring to. Which one is that, then? Sign up for a Premier membership and you'll find out. I already did that once.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #83 February 25, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote It's not the one I was referring to. Which one is that, then? Sign up for a Premier membership and you'll find out. I already did that once. Was it everything you ever dreamed of and more? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #84 February 25, 2008 The rules are what the rules are-there are some times I'm confused about a choice made and would like an explaination for my own education but that's not how things work so I live with it. Some users do seem to be targeted due to history. I'm fairly certain that there are things that Billy has had deleted that would not be touched if I posted them because I'm not historically a problem child and might be given the benefit of a doubt.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #85 February 25, 2008 QuoteWell, I watched the video last night and after 38 seconds, I had to turn it off. Then, after thinking about it after awhile, I realized that the whole thing is a fake. I don't believe they are eating doodie. The color and consitency is very much like chocolate mouse pudding. I think they probably gave themselves a chocolate mouse enema, and then expelled it into a cup for the shock factor. How trampy and low of these two girls to be so desparate for attention to have to do that. BIngo! That was what I thought."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shell666 0 #86 February 25, 2008 Quote Well, I watched the video last night and after 38 seconds, I had to turn it off. Then, after thinking about it after awhile, I realized that the whole thing is a fake. I don't believe they are eating doodie. The color and consitency is very much like chocolate mouse pudding. I think they probably gave themselves a chocolate mouse enema, and then expelled it into a cup for the shock factor. How trampy and low of these two girls to be so desparate for attention to have to do that. Freudian slip?? 'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #87 February 26, 2008 QuoteBIngo! That was what I thought. I kinda thought that too. Or maybe i just really hoped that's what it was... ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #88 February 26, 2008 >I am currently typing into a web form that has a flash advertisement >loaded at the top of the page which was loaded using my bandwidth and >therefore my dollars. You, reading this comment, are likely looking at a >similar ad paid for with your bandwidth dollars. This effectively makes this >site "not free". It is still free. Your example is akin to claiming that someone giving away a free washer and dryer set at your local Target is lying because you had to pay for the gas to get there and back. And besides which, the washer and dryer aren't really free because they give you a flyer with an ad in it when you pick them up! >This, combined with the paid-account option, clearly and legally >delineate our relationship to the site as "customer to business" not "guest >in a home". We will continue to treat you as Willem's guests. As always, feel free to leave if you don't like his hospitality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shell666 0 #89 February 26, 2008 Quote Those ads are there because collectively our eyeballs are a valuable commodity. Other people are selling that commodity for us and reaping the benefits of that sale (as a condition of being a site member). This, combined with the paid-account option, clearly and legally delineate our relationship to the site as "customer to business" not "guest in a home". Damn. That No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service sign at the front of the forums is REALLY gonna piss some people off. 'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DFWAJG 4 #90 February 26, 2008 Quote We will continue to treat you as Willem's guests. As always, feel free to leave if you don't like his hospitality. I know a certain someone who is frequently bitching about all of this. I'd like to just cut and paste it everytime I read her whining. Thanks Billvon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DFWAJG 4 #91 February 26, 2008 Quote Quote Well, I watched the video last night and after 38 seconds, I had to turn it off. Then, after thinking about it after awhile, I realized that the whole thing is a fake. I don't believe they are eating doodie. The color and consitency is very much like chocolate mouse pudding. I think they probably gave themselves a chocolate mouse enema, and then expelled it into a cup for the shock factor. How trampy and low of these two girls to be so desparate for attention to have to do that. Freudian slip?? No, I meant this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shell666 0 #92 February 26, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Well, I watched the video last night and after 38 seconds, I had to turn it off. Then, after thinking about it after awhile, I realized that the whole thing is a fake. I don't believe they are eating doodie. The color and consitency is very much like chocolate mouse pudding. I think they probably gave themselves a chocolate mouse enema, and then expelled it into a cup for the shock factor. How trampy and low of these two girls to be so desparate for attention to have to do that. Freudian slip?? No, I meant this. Well aren't you a crafty one! 'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #93 February 26, 2008 QuoteQuote We will continue to treat you as Willem's guests. As always, feel free to leave if you don't like his hospitality. I know a certain someone who is frequently bitching about all of this. I'd like to just cut and paste it everytime I read her whining. Thanks Billvon. That'll show her! w00t! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeMcLean 0 #94 February 26, 2008 QuoteWe will continue to treat you as Willem's guests. As always, feel free to leave if you don't like his hospitality. Keep the mantra going; you (the "site" as you) have clearly convinced yourself and many of the community members that the laws (such as they are) don't apply to you. Someday someone will call the site on the customer/business relationship and no amount of your mantra repeating will influence the courts, lawyers, and judges who will adjudicate that future dispute. From a purely sense of community standpoint; you (again the site as you) would be better off to realize that the value of this (or any community site) is the community itself. In other words, from a business and economic standpoint -- this is a damn democracy.It wouldn't hurt you to think like a fucking serial killer every once in a while - just for the sake of prevention Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stitch 0 #95 February 26, 2008 Quote We will continue to treat you as Willem's guests. As always, feel free to leave if you don't like his hospitality. I ain't leaving without my Giraffe Steak. "No cookies for you"- GFD "I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65 Don't be a "Racer Hater" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DFWAJG 4 #96 February 26, 2008 This one's for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shell666 0 #97 February 26, 2008 QuoteQuoteWe will continue to treat you as Willem's guests. As always, feel free to leave if you don't like his hospitality. Keep the mantra going; you (the "site" as you) have clearly convinced yourself and many of the community members that the laws (such as they are) don't apply to you. Someday someone will call the site on the customer/business relationship and no amount of your mantra repeating will influence the courts, lawyers, and judges who will adjudicate that future dispute. From a purely sense of community standpoint; you (again the site as you) would be better off to realize that the value of this (or any community site) is the community itself. In other words, from a business and economic standpoint -- this is a damn democracy. From the RULES clicky that you find at the top of pretty much every page: "You agree that this is private property and you are our guest, and that Dropzone.com reserves the right to delete any message. Membership on Dropzone.com is a privilege, not a right. We may at any time revise these rules and policies without notice. Please check back regularly. Continued use of Dropzone.com after a change has been made is your acceptance of the change. " Kind of like those signs you see in a lot of businesses that state "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone".'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeMcLean 0 #98 February 26, 2008 QuoteYour example is akin to claiming that someone giving away a free washer and dryer set at your local Target is lying because you had to pay for the gas to get there and back. And besides which, the washer and dryer aren't really free because they give you a flyer with an ad in it when you pick them up! Incorrect; in your straw-man example the customer gets to keep a physical object (the washer/dryer) he/she didn't have before which is completely different than an online community. In an online community, the visitor gets a community experience during which he/she also contributes to the community(*). The contributions are fair exchange for the received community experience; anything else (such as selling the user's eyeballs, having the user spend his/her bandwidth dollars on ad downloads, etc.) change the balance -- benefiting the site more than the user -- and thereby making the experience not free. Free ~ guest in house Not Free ~ Customer / Business relationship under most interpretations of the various commerce laws (**) Also, remember free / not-free in an economic sense doesn't require the exchange of cash. (*) negating the effect of the pure lurker (**) again recognizing the lack of quantity of case lawIt wouldn't hurt you to think like a fucking serial killer every once in a while - just for the sake of prevention Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #99 February 26, 2008 I'm having a tough time picturing you as the champion of truth and justice when you have 0 posts against Skyride but 4 against not being able to get your porn fix from a skydiving website You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
guppie01 0 #100 February 26, 2008 I don't get it either.... sheeesh, why don't people understand that it's our god given right to push people around and take whatever we want.... Oh, I almost forgot... and pass judgement on those we've never met. g"Let's do something romantic this Saturday... how bout we bust out the restraints?" Raddest Ho this side of Jersey #1 - MISS YOU OMG, is she okay? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
