bigway 4 #1 March 3, 2008 Ok, I am banned from Speakers corner for life so have to ask this here so please do not ruin the discussion with arguing and bullshit. Online gambling. How come the USA is all about this 'it's a free country', 'our troops are fighting so we can keep this a free country', and all this nonsense when the USA has taken major steps for the USA not to be able to gamble online? Why is it that US citizens can not play online poker? The rest of the world can, How come you guys can't? I know there are sites you can and ways around it but legally you are not allowed to. Why is this? Also.. How can you claim for it to be a free country when you have a law saying that you can not spend your money the way other countrys are allowed to? .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shermanator 4 #2 March 3, 2008 oh great.. is your banning and excile to the bonfire punishment for the people that bonfire banned and exciled to sc? CLICK HERE! new blog posted 9/21/08 CSA #720 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #3 March 3, 2008 No. I have been banned from SC for years. Anyway, Back on topic please... This is something i am really interested in knowing... not arguing but knowing. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #4 March 3, 2008 Many people feel the Gov should protect them from themselves. So they vote in politicians that pass dumb laws to do just that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #5 March 3, 2008 And/or the government doesn't get to take a percentage off the top with off-shore sites. There are still dry counties in the US too.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #6 March 3, 2008 yeah dry counties and dry cities. Like Irving, TX where I live. It's really stupid. I can drive 5 min down the road and be in Dallas and buy a six pack of beer but I can't do that anywhere in the city of Irving. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #7 March 3, 2008 Yeah i know about the dry counties. I hear where they make Jack Daniels the testers have to be from out of the counties and have a letter from a priest or something saying that they do not drink or something. I hear they are not allowed to swallow the jack daniels either. Dont know if it is true or not..... But, does not defeat the whole 'free country' thing you guys are meant to have? .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #8 March 3, 2008 This discussion is bound to go to speakers corner but it's more then likely due to the fact that it is difficult (to impossible) for the government to tax income from online gambling as many/most of them are baised overseas. As such the government has decided to ban it entirely.Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #9 March 3, 2008 QuoteWhy is it that US citizens can not play online poker? Casinos and Taxes"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #10 March 3, 2008 QuoteAlso.. How can you claim for it to be a free country when you have a law saying that you can not spend your money the way other countrys are allowed to? We claim it's a free country and yet we also have laws that say we can't spend our money on crack, heroin, sex (except for parts of Nevada)... There was even a week in my adult life when I wasn't allowed by law to buy alcohol or a gun. "Free" does not equal "do whatever we want." "Free" means that we get to elect the idiots who make the laws for us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #11 March 3, 2008 OKay.. so the question has been answered.... Does that not annoy you as an american as your government claims you guys live in a 'free country'? I refer to that phrase because it is used so often by americans and from what i can tell the phrase is not correct. Saying that though, America always said the world has changed since 9/11 so i understand if you are not a free country since that date. I am just trying to figure out how such a huge claim can be made when the USA is the only country i know of that can not gamble online. BTW, many poker sites were actually USA and UK based. When the states made it illegal to gamble online, that is when the major pokersites shifted out of the USA. So saying it is about not being able to tax it i dont think is correct as the sites were in the USA but forced out because of this legislation. Anyone? .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #12 March 3, 2008 Drugs is very different from playing poker. You cant go around killing people either. It is obvious i dont mean you can do whatever you want. It just seems you guys do not have a basic right to spend your money on what you want within reason. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tfelber 0 #13 March 3, 2008 I believe that a number of laws are made to protect the masses from an individuals actions; smoking in public is one such law. Some laws are made to protect the individual from themselves; most drug laws among others. And then their are laws to benefit the government. The online gambling laws are just that. Of the BILLIONS of dollars being spent and earned via online gambling the government gets nothing, and just like the mafia they want a cut of any action in there neighborhood. But since there is no way for them to collect from the company's since they are mostly offshore or would be if some collection was attempted and there is also no way for them to go after the individuals spending the money they make it illegal for the middle man, who are large credit card companies who have large revenues (only a small part of which comes from online gambling), the target. Online gambling is not illegal. Credit card transactions with online gambling facilities is what is deemed illegal by the US government. This also gives them access to a possible arrangement with the credit card companies or the gambling houses to instill a tax on US customer transactions if these companies feel they are losing enough revenue from the imposed law. There is talk of how to do the same thing involving any online transactions where no taxes are being paid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos340 1 #14 March 3, 2008 The Casinos hired the best Lobbyists around and had them Push through the legislation that basically killed online Gambling here in the US. Basically they made it illegal for BANKS to deal with online gambling sites. In doing that, It is now difficult for US citizens to get money into and out of Online Gambling accounts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #15 March 3, 2008 Online gambling sends a lot of US dollars overseas. IT's tough for the government to get their hands on it. Therefore, they'd prefer to limit activities wherein they cannot get a cut of the action. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #16 March 3, 2008 QuoteThe Casinos hired the best Lobbyists around and had them Push through the legislation that basically killed online Gambling here in the US. Basically they made it illegal for BANKS to deal with online gambling sites. In doing that, It is now difficult for US citizens to get money into and out of Online Gambling accounts. Thank you. That is an answer that i can believe. This will be why the major poker sites moved away from the US. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #17 March 3, 2008 QuoteOnline gambling sends a lot of US dollars overseas. IT's tough for the government to get their hands on it. Therefore, they'd prefer to limit activities wherein they cannot get a cut of the action. Everyone is saying this and it is wrong! The majority of online gambling sites were founded in the USA> They moved out of the USA after the legislation took place. Such as PKR, Pokerstars, fulltilt, party poker. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #18 March 3, 2008 Quote Drugs is very different from playing poker. It is? Then why do we see so many "public service" ads about gambling addiction? Quote It just seems you guys do not have a basic right to spend your money on what you want within reason. Some of our legislators (and thus by extension, voters) don't feel that losing money online is reasonable. If enough of us feel and express to our legislators that losing money online is reasonable and that they won't get our vote next time in return for voting for the law, the law would eventually change. Again, "free" does not mean that we get to do whatever we want, even with our money. It only means that we get to elect the idiots who make the laws for us, and no matter how many times you try to make it apply to other areas you'll still be wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #19 March 3, 2008 I am not talking about addiction. Heroin and crack is the same as playing poker? if you say so. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #20 March 3, 2008 Quote Again, "free" does not mean that we get to do whatever we want, even with our money. It only means that we get to elect the idiots who make the laws for us, and no matter how many times you try to make it apply to other areas you'll still be wrong. Nicely put. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #21 March 3, 2008 Quote"free" does not mean that we get to do whatever we want, even with our money. Actually, That is exactly what 'Free' means. You should be free to spend your money on whatever you want that is not physically harming yourself or anyone else or your countries foreign relationships. I guess that is not what it means to you guys. It is a shame that you guys are told the word 'free' means different. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tfelber 0 #22 March 3, 2008 QuoteThey moved out of the USA after the legislation took place. They actually moved "in conjunction" with the legislation because the government was trying to leverage a tax, but when they went offshire it took away their control so they banned the transactions to these institutions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #23 March 3, 2008 QuoteIt just seems you guys do not have a basic right to spend your money on what you want within reason. The more control you have the more certainty you have. The casinos and the government want to be certain about their revenue so they attempt to control that which causes uncertainty to their revenue."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #24 March 3, 2008 Thanks for the answer Jay. I am finished with the thread as my question has been answered and everything else is only worthy of speakers corner. Cheers to all the replies. Goodnight. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #25 March 3, 2008 Quote I am not talking about addiction. I'm not addicted to crack and yet I can't buy it. I'm not addicted to online poker and yet I can't play it. OMFG! I just realized that I'm OPPRESSED!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
