Icon134 0 #1 April 2, 2008 When you come up to an intersection (or checkpoint) with stopped cars do you generally fall in with the stopped cars or will you pass the vehicles in a safe manner until you reach the intersection (or checkpoint.)?Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simplyputsi 0 #2 April 2, 2008 Depends. I there is room for me to go to the front and be out of the way I'll do that. Not typical for most intersections. I generally fall in, but stick to the right or left depending on the case. Remember you are supposed to follow the rules of a car.Skymama's #2 stalker - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #3 April 2, 2008 I will go as far as I can on the right shoulder / bike lane. Typically, thats all the way to the front. If a car is very close to the side, I will squeeze in, and then give them the evil eye. If I'm in the process of moving forward to the front of the line up of cars, and the light turns green and cars start moving, I'll take the lane in between the cars I am at: I never trust cars at a ligth to look in their mirrors before making that right turn (without putting on their turn indicators of course... never mind that I have priority... fuckers).Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #4 April 2, 2008 QuoteRemember you are supposed to follow the rules of a car. I understand that... Ohio Revised code actually has these regulations: § 4511.55. Riding bicycles; motorcycles abreast. (A) Every person operating a bicycle upon a roadway shall ride as near to the right side of the roadway as practicable obeying all traffic rules applicable to vehicles and exercising due care when passing a standing vehicle or one proceeding in the same direction. (B) Persons riding bicycles or motorcycles upon a roadway shall ride not more than two abreast in a single lane, except on paths or parts of roadways set aside for the exclusive use of bicycles or motorcycles. (C) This section does not require a person operating a bicycle to ride at the edge of the roadway when it is unreasonable or unsafe to do so. Conditions that may require riding away from the edge of the roadway include when necessary to avoid fixed or moving objects, parked or moving vehicles, surface hazards, or if it otherwise is unsafe or impracticable to do so, including if the lane is too narrow for the bicycle and an overtaking vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane. In my opinion the bolded section is open to interpretation.Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #5 April 2, 2008 Quote In my opinion the bolded section is open to interpretation. Hence giving the evil eye, proving I excercised due care .Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydemon2 0 #6 April 2, 2008 When I rode I always went to the front even in a left turn lane.Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clean to the bone! I like to start my day off with a little Ray of Soulshine™!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #7 April 2, 2008 Quote Quote In my opinion the bolded section is open to interpretation. Hence giving the evil eye, proving I excercised due care . Agreed... because they pass me if it is possible to do it safely... the reason I'm asking is because a gate guard this morning informed me that I was breaking the law by cycling past the other cars (there is/was pleanty of space for me to pass the stationary cars) instead of waiting in line to get my ID checked. (I was not given a ticket just told I was doing wrong) The only regulation I found that seemed to relate to that situation was the ORC included above and in a reversed situation (i.e. lower traffice volume thus continuous moving vehicles pulling up to the gate) I am certain that the cars would be passing me readily... and usually safely... Besides most if not all of the cars waiting in line are likely to pass me after entering the gate (some of them might even do it safely... others are likely to scare the bejesus out of me)Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #8 April 2, 2008 Quotebecause a gate guard Thats your problem, right there...Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #9 April 2, 2008 Quote Quote because a gate guard Thats your problem, right there... alas... I don't have a whole lot of choice wrt avoiding that sort of thing... she did seem to have a bir up her ass this morning... and is the only one to have ever said anything... (this isn't the first time I've done it... of course alas... it will be the last time at least until I get the nerve to tell her that according to the Ohio Revised Code... I think she might be incorrect... that and I want to make sure I'm right... so if I was to get a ticket I have the grounds to fight it...) Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #10 April 2, 2008 Pedally bike or motor bike I skip past in a safe and gracious way. Why would I wait in a queue? I can't imagine what law you could have broken. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #11 April 2, 2008 Quote Pedally bike or motor bike I skip past in a safe and gracious way. Why would I wait in a queue? I can't imagine what law you could have broken. Which is why I'm asking the question... at the time I didn't know the exact wording of the Ohio Law (I imagine federal property adheres to the same or similar laws to the locality) and took her at her word... went on my way and looked for something that might have applied. Edited to add: I take a different route now but for some time I used to climb a hill prior to getting to the gate and would reguarly pass cars that were stopped at the light before the gate turn in... then would be passed by the same cars when the light was green... If what she is saying is the law... then they should be waiting behind me as I climb the hill... the fact that I'm more agile means that once I get to the top of the hill and enter the relatively light grade that is the gate entrance I should be able to safely pass the vehicles that just safely passed me. but that's just my interpretation of the laws... Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #12 April 2, 2008 As you say she may be having a bad day/week. I also understand that the laws are different over there. Was this gate guardian a real or a renta cop? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #13 April 2, 2008 QuoteWas this gate guardian a real or a renta cop?Contracted government security gaurds (super rent-a-cop?)... I'm not sure exactly what athority they have beyond denying access to the installation. I know there are a few AF Security Forces personel that may or may not know their athority... of course I suppose it depends on their contract... maybe I'll ask one of the supervisors or one or two of them that know me relatively well what kind of athourity they have.Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #14 April 2, 2008 Cheers and good luck. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simplyputsi 0 #15 April 2, 2008 Are you passing them on the left or right Scott??Skymama's #2 stalker - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broke 0 #16 April 2, 2008 Quote Quote Was this gate guardian a real or a renta cop? Contracted government security gaurds (super rent-a-cop?)... I'm not sure exactly what athority they have beyond denying access to the installation. I know there are a few AF Security Forces personel that may or may not know their athority... of course I suppose it depends on their contract... maybe I'll ask one of the supervisors or one or two of them that know me relatively well what kind of athourity they have. Well if they have a gun they can shoot you They also have the power to detain you until Police or an MP can arrest you.Divot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #17 April 2, 2008 They are similar to California's. Since there is a notation: "exercising due care when passing a standing vehicle or one proceeding in the same direction" that would seem to implicitly condone passing of vehicles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #18 April 2, 2008 QuoteWhen you come up to an intersection (or checkpoint) with stopped cars do you generally fall in with the stopped cars or will you pass the vehicles in a safe manner until you reach the intersection (or checkpoint.)? i do that at every possible intersection on my motorbike, aswell as my pushy,You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #19 April 2, 2008 QuoteQuoteWhen you come up to an intersection (or checkpoint) with stopped cars do you generally fall in with the stopped cars or will you pass the vehicles in a safe manner until you reach the intersection (or checkpoint.)? i do that at every possible intersection on my motorbike, aswell as my pushy, In the US and Canada, doing that on a motorbike will get you a ticket in most states / all provinces.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #20 April 3, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhen you come up to an intersection (or checkpoint) with stopped cars do you generally fall in with the stopped cars or will you pass the vehicles in a safe manner until you reach the intersection (or checkpoint.)? i do that at every possible intersection on my motorbike, aswell as my pushy, In the US and Canada, doing that on a motorbike will get you a ticket in most states / all provinces. This prompted me to dig into the CO laws, (it's been on my "to do" list). I found this interesting bit: QuoteThe City of Boulder tells cyclists to ride in the center of the lane when passing through intersections. We like this idea. It makes you more visible to traffic and discourages cars from turning in front of you. Boulder has another wise law: Boulder regulations specify that if a line of cars is stopped at an intersection, a cyclist may pass them on the right up to the rear wheel of the first vehicle in line. Ref: http://users.frii.com/pedal/laws.htm"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #21 April 3, 2008 Quote Quote Quote When you come up to an intersection (or checkpoint) with stopped cars do you generally fall in with the stopped cars or will you pass the vehicles in a safe manner until you reach the intersection (or checkpoint.)? i do that at every possible intersection on my motorbike, aswell as my pushy, In the US and Canada, doing that on a motorbike will get you a ticket in most states / all provinces. Fortunately for me i dont live in either the USofA or CanadiaYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #22 April 3, 2008 Quote I never trust cars at a ligth to look in their mirrors before making that right turn Exactly how do you have "priority" if you are both passing on the right, and following the rules of the road like any other motorized vehicle? Let me add that I regularly ride on streets, and most cyclists are decent, but some seem to think that they're entitled to both vehicular and pedestrian right of way, whichever is more convenient. .jim"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiver30960 0 #23 April 3, 2008 Keep in mind that one of the things that frustrates drivers is having to pass and pass and pass again the same bicyclist because they keep moving back up to the front of the line at every stop light. Especially on roads with only one lane in each direction, it can be difficult to safely pass a bicyclist. I used to be a road rider, and seemed to see a lot fewer dirty looks when I just started keeping my spot in line. I always used to say that a bicyclist should have the same rights and responsibilites as an automobile. How pissed would you be if you were in your car and another car kept pulling that stuff? Elvisio "no longer a road rider" Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydemon2 0 #24 April 3, 2008 How about a motorcycle that whitelines or pulls to the front?Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clean to the bone! I like to start my day off with a little Ray of Soulshine™!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broke 0 #25 April 3, 2008 Here's your solution ditch the road bike get a BMX and build a half pipe right near the fence. Then jump over it. Video it extra points for cooleness of tricks will be awardedDivot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
