Cyclists: I have a question?

[ryoder 1,590]

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Let me add that I regularly ride on streets, and most cyclists are decent, but some seem to think that they're entitled to both vehicular and pedestrian right of way, whichever is more convenient.

.jim

I just got done going through the CO laws, and apparently a bike can be operated as a motor vehicle while in the street, or as a pedestrian while on sidewalks and crosswalks. (Although it must yield to foot traffic in the latter mode). Boulders laws about passing on the right are an exception.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[Gene03 0]

Okay, I admit I only read the first 20 replies to your post and your responses to them.
However there is one basic LAW you should not ignore...
MASS X VELOCITY = IMPACT, or E=mc squared.

Read between the lines and figure it out for yourself.

“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him.

Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966)

[ryoder 1,590]

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Okay, I admit I only read the first 20 replies to your post and your responses to them.
However there is one basic LAW you should not ignore...
MASS X VELOCITY = IMPACT, or E=mc squared.

I'm going to go out on a limb here, and guess you didn't major in physics.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[Gene03 0]

Good reply, funny.
You're right I didn't.
I couldn't figure out how to write it, the "squared" symbol out properly.

To quote Popeye, "I'm not a physicist, buts I knows what matters."

I don't mind making an occasional fool out of myself on these forums.

Oh, did I mention I'm not very computer literate either.

“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him.

Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966)

[jakee 1,564]

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I couldn't figure out how to write it, the "squared" symbol out properly.

That was not your main problem

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Gene03 0]

Okay, would you care to educate me a little or at least offer a clue?

“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him.

Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966)

[simplyputsi 0]

I believe the word you are looking for is inertia, yes inertia.

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[Icon134 0]

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I believe the word you are looking for is inertia, yes inertia.

and mass... mass is important too... and the principle that an object in motion (such as a cyclist) tends to stay in motion until acted upon by an outside force... such as a very large car or truck or even a relatively small one.

and Gene: although the mass energy equation is a relatively (no pun intended) interesting equation it really isn't aplicable unless I spontaniously (or otherwise) convert somehow from a physical mass to light... or vice versa...

Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife...

[simplyputsi 0]

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isn't aplicable unless I spontaniously (or otherwise) convert somehow from a physical mass to light... or vice versa...

Hey strange things happen.

I didn't see an answer to my question. Are you passing on the left or right of the stopped cars?

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isn't aplicable unless I spontaniously (or otherwise) convert somehow from a physical mass to light... or vice versa...

Hey strange things happen.

I didn't see an answer to my question. Are you passing on the left or right of the stopped cars?

Both but that's really not the point... as I am passing to the right of the cars in the left lane due since I'm preparing to turn left imediately after entering the gate.

The law quoted above doesn't require me to pass on the right of the cars... just to exercise due care... and since the plan is an imediate left after entering the gate being in to the right side of the left left lane of vehicles is the most sensible as I don't think it is as safe to cut across two lanes after entering the gate.

but the arguement is moot at this point since I must adhere to her interpretation of the law... not mine... as she is the one enforcing it.

Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife...

[Remster 30]

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Exactly how do you have "priority" if you are both passing on the right

Which of the 2 vehicles is to the right of the other? Hint: it's only one of them, not both....

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following the rules of the road like any other motorized vehicle?

Ah ha! I am not in a mototized vehicle. I am on a bicycle, which has specific rules, such has the right to pass a line of vehicles, to the right of them.

Remster

[ryoder 1,590]

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Okay, would you care to educate me a little or at least offer a clue?

You provided the equation for inertia, which does not represent the energy of an impact. You also provided the equation which describes the amount of energy released in a nuclear reaction, which is not irrelevant.

The equation you wanted is the one to describe the energy of a moving object:
Ek = (m * v^2) / 2
Ek is the kinetic energy in joules
m is the mass in kilograms, and
v is the velocity in meters per second

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[Gene03 0]

Okay guys, thanks for the info.
All I was trying to get across is this;
No matter what traffic law anybody quotes or if you do have right of way or not, cycles, with our without engines, always seem to get the losing end of most arguments with other vehicles. lamp posts, curbs, etc.

Oh, and I did enjoy the relatively pun.

Inertial mass is very important in everyday life, especially skydivers.

Ride safe folks.

“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him.

Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966)

[simplyputsi 0]

A gate guard can give you a ticket??!!!!!! I doubt it.

What i'd do to piss her off is put yourself directly behind a car approaching the gate, aka get in line I guess. Then when you get to the gate take your sweet ass time getting going again.

I agree that you can pass on the left of cars that are not moving. Actually in GA if you are going to turn left up ahead, you are allowed to be on the left side of the lane.
So what you should be doing in my opinion is riding on the very left of both lanes of cars. After you pass through you should move to the right of the lane as soon as safely possible, but as a car and you can't go through at the same time, this can be done as you go through the gate right?
That is totally within your rights as a cyclist, now what I think her problem is, is that you aren't waiting in whatever line there may be. I'd tell her that is one of the benefits of riding a bike.

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[n23x 0]

In response to that, I'd have to say...

Speaking as a motorist: I think your interpretation of the law is argueable, and I'd recommmend that you ride as safely as possible, and watch out for big things that can impart a lot of energy to you in a short period of time. Either way, the consequences the driver deals with (if any) will likely be much smaller than yours.

Speaking as a cyclist: I'd have to say that's a pretty 'dick rider' kind of arguement, and it's no skin off my back if someobody who thinks (and acts like that) needs to get cleaned off of a windshield with a sponge.

Respectfullyish.

.jim

"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC

[Remster 30]

If you dont take your rights, peaple take them away, that is why I always ride within the law, but make sure to take as much room as I can, so motorist know they are stepping over their rights.

And I really do not see what is arguable. The laws (in all the places I looked into it) state a cyclist can pass to the right of a line of cars, and states that vehicles to the right have right of way. There isnt much interpretation in that.

Remster

[ryoder 1,590]

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Speaking as a cyclist: I'd have to say that's a pretty 'dick rider' kind of arguement, and it's no skin off my back if someobody who thinks (and acts like that) needs to get cleaned off of a windshield with a sponge.

OK, I've met Jim, and seen the numbers on Remster's size, and I would say while Jim might need to get wiped off of a windshield, I'm pretty sure Remster would take it out and do damage to the occupants.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[billvon 3,080]

>Either way, the consequences the driver deals with (if any) will likely be
>much smaller than yours.

A driver around here ran into a friend of mine, knocked him out and drove off. The biker spent a day in the hospital; the driver spent six months in jail. I think the consequences to the driver were a little worse in that case.

[n23x 0]

I'm saying that, if I was a motorist involved in bicycle accident in which I was turning right, just as a cyclist decided they were going to pass on the right, allI would have to say was that:

1.) I cleared the intersection as I began to turn (how would I see them if they came from behind).

2.) I was in the far right lane, (allowed a legal right turn, or to continue straight) and had no expectations of another vehicle passing on my right.

In that case, I would likely get a slap on the wrist, if even, while you could have serious injury, or worse. (Note, I'm not talking about a separate, marked bicycle lane, or Boulder)

I understand the whole cyclist rights speech. I will regularly use as much road as I feel I need to make myself visible, and ride as safe as I can, as well as maintaining the flow of traffic.

In my opinion, the arguement you are making is similar to the jackasses people choose that ride 3-5 abreast on a tight road, going far under the speed limit, and get pissed when cars pass them.

As for Bob's comment (what's up!), I can't help it that I'm not carrying a spare tire up front.

.jim

"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC

[Remster 30]

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2.) I was in the far right lane, (allowed a legal right turn, or to continue straight) and had no expectations of another vehicle passing on my right.

But if you drive on a road with a cycle lane, you would expect to have a cyclists on the right. Plus, I sure fucking hope you use your indicators. If not, then I would suggest you do. Plus, I know in Tucson, if a cycle lane ends, signs go up for care to remind them to share the road.

I still dont see how you see my action as jackass... I said clearly I took the lane till I clear the start of the intersection when the trafic starts moving (which is legal). I only take the right all the way to the front if the traffic is not moving.

Remster

[n23x 0]

And do you think the consequences were any different because the driver drove off? What were the circumstances of the hit?

.jim

"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC

[n23x 0]

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I still dont see how you see my action as jackass... I said clearly I took the lane till I clear the start of the intersection when the trafic starts moving (which is legal). I only take the right all the way to the front if the traffic is not moving.

I wasn't disagreeing with that. If you ride up on the right, and then carefully work back in with the flow of traffic, I'm all for it.

I disagree with riders who do the same thing, and then blast out onto the crosswalk, with no regard for who may be turning right ahead of them, and with no intent to return back to the flow of traffic. (You might say you don't see it, but I see it often in Golden). My personal feelings are: you might be a pedestrian, you might have right of way, but until you are forward of the car's trunk, you might as well be invisible, and I wouldn't recommend betting your life on it. It's stupid.

Let me also preface this with: I have been hit by a car, in somewhat similar circumstances, and while I feel it was the lady's fault, I could have, but more specifically should have prevented it.

Follow the flow of traffic, don't ride like an asshole (it's relative ), and you have less of a chance of dying, as well as making fellow drivers try to integrate you into traffic, instead of seeing how close they can get to the curb at a light.

.jim

"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC

[simplyputsi 0]

You have a different set of parameters going on there, if you are talking about Golden Colorado.

In the situation you speak of the bicycle does not have the right of way to go straight if cars ahead are signaling to turn right. In such cases it is best that the bike integrate into traffic and make the right turn as to avoid the person who might not see the bike or not signal that he is turning.

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[Remster 30]

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if cars ahead are signaling to turn right.

And that goes back to my biggest peeve... Use your freaking signals!

Remster

[simplyputsi 0]

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if cars ahead are signaling to turn right.

And that goes back to my biggest peeve... Use your freaking signals!

Ahh but Remi, you missed where I said it's best the bike take the proactive role and integrate in so that the morons that are not signaling don't get the better of you.

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