For the Air Force types out there...

[millertimeunc 0]

Initial Flight Screening oficially blows. I've been here for 5 hours and just found out they've put a ban on any of us skydiving on the weekinds. They say it's because "they're afraid we'll sprain an ankle and have to be removed from training", but no problem if you want to go skiing or 4-wheeling etc. I'm going to run it all the way up the chain of command, but it looks like they're standing shoulder to shoulder on this one. What's a 2nd Lt to do?

The best things in life are dangerous.

[skydemon2 0]

Suck it up and do as your told....... And if you hurt youself, make sure it was falling off the roof!

Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clean to the bone!

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[millertimeunc 0]

But...but...I got almost 40 jumps just in March alone! The withdrawl...I...can't...go...on...

My rig is sitting in the corner here mocking me.

The best things in life are dangerous.

[Beerlight 0]

Good luck running it up the chain LT

Why risk it though? It's only a temporary thing anyhows. You do get points for playing well with others

edit to add: Where are you going thru IFS?

[Gawain 0]

This too, shall pass.

It's not forever. Get trained, get your wings, go jump.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[AggieDave 6]

Why risk your career and future career opportunities (once you're out of the USAF) by being childish right now? They say don't jump while in training, then don't jump while in training. Its not that long and the DZs will still be there. You'll eventually learn that there is always tomorrow to skydive, no matter how bad you want to jump right now. That will eventually save your ass. Not jumping in odd winds, when you're not feeling your best, or when it could jeopardize your future.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[millertimeunc 0]

Pueblo Colorado. Doss Aviation pretty much runs the whole school, with just a couple high ranking Air Force officers to handle any military affairs that crop up (i.e. a family member dies and you need to get back home).

I'm feeling slightly better about it now. I guess not being able to jump for 2 months will make waiting for my wingsuit easier.

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[VectorBoy 0]

I got pulled off of the nuclear PRP program 22 years ago because of a skydiving accident.

This is after the commander pulled a bunch of other guys off after they got hurt during football and basketball injuries. After the ball sports injuries they threatened article 15s for any other ball sports injuries. Lucky mine wasn't.

That commander ended up getting a letter of admonishment for having so many benched soldiers he couldn't man up his mission. High profile and a little bit political is all it takes.

[Gene03 0]

Only two months?
Take Aggiedaves advice.
The sky will still be there and the discipline will work in your favor.

Maybe the money you save can only help also?
Look at the plus side, not the minus side.
Things have a way of balancing out.
Keep yourself busy, stop watching the clock and the calendar and it'll be over before you know it.

“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him.

Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966)

[millertimeunc 0]

On a different note, if I could jump here, how much of a difference would I notice in freefall and canopy flight jumping here in Colorado? I normally jump at either Palatka or Z-hills.

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[Beerlight 0]

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Pueblo Colorado. Doss Aviation pretty much runs the whole school, with just a couple high ranking Air Force officers to handle any military affairs that crop up (i.e. a family member dies and you need to get back home).

I'm feeling slightly better about it now. I guess not being able to jump for 2 months will make waiting for my wingsuit easier.

Doss Aviation. Man, those guys have been around a long long time now. They had the IFS program @ Hondo, TX for years until the T-3 program folded.

Good luck and you'll get your flightsuit!

[BillyVance 35]

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On a different note, if I could jump here, how much of a difference would I notice in freefall and canopy flight jumping here in Colorado? I normally jump at either Palatka or Z-hills.

I haven't jumped in Colorado, but because most of the state is at least 4000 feet or more in elevation, you're not going to get as much freefall time as you would in Florida, plus the thin air makes your parachute react differently to toggle input and/or gives you a bit more speed on the landings. You have less margin for error.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[BikerBabe 0]

if it's anything like what my husband did...you probably will be studying enough that you won't have as much time to jump, anyway.

good luck and have fun!

Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

[ryoder 1,590]

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Pueblo Colorado. Doss Aviation pretty much runs the whole school, with just a couple high ranking Air Force officers to handle any military affairs that crop up (i.e. a family member dies and you need to get back home).

I'm feeling slightly better about it now. I guess not being able to jump for 2 months will make waiting for my wingsuit easier.

Hitch a ride with the cadets when they drive up to Denver to fly the tunnel. Tunnel time beats no jumping at all.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[jtval 0]

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Initial Flight Screening oficially blows. I've been here for 5 hours and just found out they've put a ban on any of us skydiving on the weekinds. They say it's because "they're afraid we'll sprain an ankle and have to be removed from training", but no problem if you want to go skiing or 4-wheeling etc. I'm going to run it all the way up the chain of command, but it looks like they're standing shoulder to shoulder on this one. What's a 2nd Lt to do?

LT. Deal with it. Youre not the only skydiver to have to go through that.

You may be the only one who actually sits out though.
I;m not telling you to sneak a few jumps in but I THINK a few people that I know have made it through the course with or without jumping.

At least you're flying (or learning how to) during that time. Its not like some dbag MSgt in charge of training and safety thinks you should not jump.

at my 1st base I was told I couldnt jump.

I said HA!!!! I am jumping do you want me to sign a waiver or go without one. Lucky thing my NCOIC had my back. He spoke to the safety guy and reminded him what his duties actually were.

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[Amazon 7]

I know there has to be an AFR out there concerning jumping. I got my OIC to sign my waiver and I was good to go.. Hell that was like 36 years ago now.

You might find something usefull here.

http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/shared/media/epubs/AFI11-410.pdf

[Skyrad 0]

Play the grey man and have a good cover story just in case.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[jtval 0]

Good ole Epubs.

Wanna see something funny? look up AFOSH 91-501 chapter 10.

That was my favorite paragraph was I was an inspector


I was more a a joke/ball breaker than an enforcement but it was fun.

"10.5. Office Ergonomics. Ergonomics attempt to adapt the job to fit the person, rather than forcing the
person to fit the job. Adapting the job to better fit the worker can help reduce stress and eliminate many
potential injuries and disorders associated with the overuse of muscles, bad posture, and repetitive
motion.
10.5.1. Adjust and position office equipment in a manner that will contribute to good posture and
minimize stress on the body.
10.5.2. To help prevent ergonomic-related problems workers should consider the following:
10.5.2.1. Periodically relax the arms by letting them hang down.
10.5.2.2. Keep the shoulders relaxed, the neck straight, and elbows in the side.
80 AFOSHSTD91-501 7 JULY 2004
10.5.2.3. Avoid slumped sitting positions, rounded shoulders, sway back, or an overly straight,
stiff position.
10.5.2.4. Adjust chair height so that feet rest flat on the floor and knees are at the same height the
hips. Adjust the chair properly to where a keyboard is at a comfortable height.
10.5.2.5. Sit close to the work station and do not bend over it.
10.5.2.6. Keep commonly used items located within arm’s reach.
10.5.2.7. Use a shoulder rest on the telephone receiver or headset to prevent an awkward neck
position and switch sides periodically.
10.5.2.8. If circumstances indicate problems may exist due to ergonomically related illnesses or
injuries, the functional manager or supervisor will contact the installation BE to arrange for an
office workstation survey."

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[jtval 0]

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I know there has to be an AFR out there concerning jumpiing.]

They're called AFI's now. (instruction)
it's not so much that there is something out there about jumping, but I'll bet there is a local reg that fobids it.,

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I know there has to be an AFR out there concerning jumpiing.]

They're called AFI's now. (instruction)
it's not so much that there is something out there about jumping, but I'll bet there is a local reg that fobids it.,

When I researched AFI's regarding off-duty non-military skydiving operations I more or less discovered that the requirements are set at the local level. Some organizations (such as Air Education and Training Center) require members to fill out a high risk activities worksheet (AETC Form 410 whereas my first (and current) organization (Air Force Materiel Command) merely recomended that I inform my supervisor.

Some AETC programs are more strengent with regard to what they will allow students to participate in as there is more money lost by the Govt/AF if those students are injured and can't complete the training.

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[jtval 0]

High risk worksheet is pretty much a standard now.
Are you still in?

ACC had it I'm in AETC now but my job is skydiving so I won't have to fill one out for jumping.
I'll do one for other activities.

EDIT: PACAF had one ,too.

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High risk worksheet is pretty much a standard now.
Are you still in?

Yes, I had to fill out an AETC Form 410 while in Grad School but I haven't been required to fill out a high risk worksheet for AFMC yet. (I generally make it a point to ask when I arrive at a new installation what the policy is regarding ...)

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[millertimeunc 0]

I realized during class today that skydiving and flying in the Air Force are ass-backwards to each other. I started skydiving flying a Spectre, and I hope someday I'll be skilled enough to fly a Katana. In the Air Force, I'm starting off flying a Katana, and hope that someday I'll be good enough to fly a Spectre.

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[AggieDave 6]

Someday, if you're rich, you can buy and fly a Sabre!

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[EvilEagle 0]

Good luck and keep your nose to the ol grindstone. The whole UPT process is a marathon, not a sprint. Jumping rocks, and noone ever thinks it will happen to them. I've had lots of buddy's over the years that have hurt themselves and missed out on flying opportunities.

Do well in UPT, then you'll get to fly what you want. If I'm not deployed, I jump every day that I can get to the DZ. It won't always be against the rules, but if you get caught breaking them early, your options for what you fly later could be restricted. (i.e. they don't put dudes in single seat jets that can't follow basic rules like speed limits, off-limits bars and no-skydiving rules...) Just my .02