velo90 0 #1 February 22, 2006 They sort of look pretty frayed in parts. Should I replace the whole line set or just the steering lines? Could wait until they fall apart I suppose. Don't use them that much anyways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frost 1 #2 February 22, 2006 Replace steering lines - $20 Hospital stay if a steering line snaps - $20,000 you do the mathSoFPiDaRF - School of Fast Progress in Downsizing and Radical Flying. Because nobody knows your skills better than you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #3 February 22, 2006 My friend Peter broke both femurs at the same time when his brakeline snapped. At minimum, change the brakelines right now. If they are frayed, stop using the canopy until repaired Edit:QuoteHospital stay if a steering line snaps - $20,000 Peters was WAY more than that.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMURRAY 1 #4 February 22, 2006 QuoteThey sort of look pretty frayed in parts. Should I replace the whole line set or just the steering lines? Could wait until they fall apart I suppose. Don't use them that much anyways. I change the lower control lines every 300 when they are vectran. I think this is maybe a little cautious but it is half the number used to change the lineset so makes sense. rm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marinho 0 #5 February 22, 2006 QuoteThey sort of look pretty frayed in parts. Should I replace the whole line set or just the steering lines? Hi Velo90, Here is what I say to my customers when they make the same question you're making: A,B,C,D lines can brake, as far as I know, on openings only, but the brake lines can brake at anytime(opening/sharp turn/flare)! Also ask a rigger to inspect the slider and the brake line guide ring on your riser. Stainless steel are the best. I hope this helps you! Cheers,Gus Marinho Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #6 February 22, 2006 QuoteDon't use them that much anyways. OK, then cut them off, and forget the whole thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chutingstar 1 #7 February 22, 2006 A couple of thing in addition to what's already been discussed... As/Bs have snapped/broke on a hard front riser turn/dive...not just on opening, according to Jim Slaton. So check all of your lines for wear. If just replacing the brake lines, replace the lower and middle portions of the brake line. Depending on the construction, the middle portion of the brake line forms the cateye, which usually shows wear at the same time as the lowers. Sometimes, such as the VX, the middle/lower is all one line, so it's going to all be replaced anyway during a steering line replacement...but on PD canopies, like the Velo, there are two separate sections and both should usually be replaced during a steering line replacement. Anyway, with normal wear on Vectran (assume that's what you've got) I've found that brake lines need to be replaced every 250-300 jumps and then a full reline every 500-600 jumps. MikeChutingStar.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marinho 0 #8 February 22, 2006 QuoteA couple of thing in addition to what's already been discussed... As/Bs have snapped/broke on a hard front riser turn/dive...not just on opening, according to Jim Slaton. So check all of your lines for wear. Mike Hi Mike, Thanks for the update on As/Bs on a hard front riser turn/dive! I always thought that it was possible, but I never heard about it! Thanks again for let me learn something today! Cheers,Gus Marinho Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koppel 5 #9 February 22, 2006 Not meaning to be rude towards velo90 - (good for you that you are asking) But, Does anyone else find it strange that people can get to be jumping a VX, a Velo a Xaos etc without such basic knowledge of their own equipment. [rant,rave] People, spend the time to learn about your gear. It's not just about how cool you look in the air or how far you can swoop, Survival is Information. [/rant,rave]I like my canopy... ...it lets me down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #10 February 22, 2006 Quote As/Bs have snapped/broke on a hard front riser turn/dive...not just on opening, according to Jim Slaton. So check all of your lines for wear. I agree...check them. I personally have never seen Vectran break at the A/B from a front riser Turn , but I think it's possible if worn enough. I have seen it on the tandem canopies there from the openings. Quote If just replacing the brake lines, replace the lower and middle portions of the brake line. Depending on the construction, the middle portion of the brake line forms the cateye, which usually shows wear at the same time as the lowers. Sometimes, such as the VX, the middle/lower is all one line, so it's going to all be replaced anyway during a steering line replacement...but on PD canopies, like the Velo, there are two separate sections and both should usually be replaced during a steering line replacement. Actually the canopies that come from Spain are made like PD canopies; in two lower pieces. If the canopy is from NZ or relined at the Sevice Center it is one piece for better wear purposes. Quote Anyway, with normal wear on Vectran (assume that's what you've got) I've found that brake lines need to be replaced every 250-300 jumps and then a full reline every 500-600 jumps. That's also my opinion. I do see the average jumper get relines between 500 and 800 jumps depending on the enviroment in which he or she jumps. MEL Skyworks Parachute Service "The Icarus Service Center"Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #11 February 23, 2006 QuoteAs/Bs have snapped/broke on a hard front riser turn/dive...not just on opening, according to Jim Slaton. So check all of your lines for wear. mike, when jim was discusing this. we were talking about sub 200 lbs hma cascaded line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chutingstar 1 #12 February 23, 2006 QuoteQuoteAs/Bs have snapped/broke on a hard front riser turn/dive...not just on opening, according to Jim Slaton. So check all of your lines for wear. mike, when jim was discusing this. we were talking about sub 200 lbs hma cascaded line. Yes, I know...should have clarified that. I'm not sure what this guy has on his VX...and also it probably could happen on Vectran if the wear is excessive. MikeChutingStar.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #13 February 23, 2006 I think the genaral concensus with vectran is if the wear is that excessive, it probably looks horrendous. If it looks bad enough to break, replace it. Personally when I change the steering lines on Vectran I like to make them all one line and fingertrap in a catseye instead of 2 seperate lines. You dont get that bump going over the guide ring at the junction. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #14 February 23, 2006 Quote Quote Hospital stay if a steering line snaps - $20,000 Peters was WAY more than that. I was going to say, $20,000 is probably getting away cheap. Be safe Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #15 February 23, 2006 QuoteNot meaning to be rude towards velo90 - (good for you that you are asking) But, Does anyone else find it strange that people can get to be jumping a VX, a Velo a Xaos etc without such basic knowledge of their own equipment. [rant,rave] People, spend the time to learn about your gear. It's not just about how cool you look in the air or how far you can swoop, Survival is Information. [/rant,rave] Agreed.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
