kbordson 8 #1 May 4, 2008 QuoteSurvey suggests Americans with lower incomes, education may feel more pain. NBC Nightly News (5/1, story 13, 1:45, Williams) reported, "You need only watch the commercials on this broadcast to know the pain reliever business is a big one." There is a "good reason" for that, because many Americans "suffer pain." Bloomberg (5/2, Elser) reports that over "25 percent of Americans are in pain at some point, and those with lower income and less education suffer more discomfort," according to a study published in The Lancet. Alan Kreuger, Ph.D., a professor of economics at Princeton University, and colleagues, surveyed 3,982 people aged 15 and older in the U.S. The researchers found that "29 percent of men, and 27 percent of women reported feeling some pain." The participants were asked to "keep a diary in which they scored their feelings of pain on a scale of zero to six for randomly selected 15-minute intervals," HealthDay (5/1, Edelson) added. The authors found that subjects "with household incomes below $30,000 a year reported moderate to severe pain 20 percent of the time," while participants "making more than $100,000 a year said they experienced pain less than eight percent of the time." The survey also indicated that subjects "with less than a high school degree reported twice the average pain rating through the day, as those with college degrees." Kreuger noted that the "link between pain and lower income and socioeconomic status wasn't necessarily a surprise," although "there was a much stronger relationship than" expected. According to WebMD (5/1, Colihan), "The participants were asked about six feelings: happiness, pain, being tired, sadness, stressed, and interested." Notably, the "average pain rating increased with age, although it reached a plateau between" age 45 and 75, "with little difference between women and men." And, the respondents "reported more pain as they entered their mid-70s." AMA Morning Rounds Friday, May 2, 2008 Since we have a diverse population on this site... and many that do make lower incomes.... and many that do things to "cause" pain. What do you think about this article? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #2 May 4, 2008 Just goes to prove you can make surveys say anything you want. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #3 May 4, 2008 QuoteJust goes to prove you can make surveys say anything you want. That's kinda what I think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #4 May 4, 2008 Quote Just goes to prove you can make surveys say anything you want. Thanks Sepnce. That's a good way to look at it. I was starting to think it was yet another example of "weak mindedness" that pervays our society these days. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #5 May 4, 2008 Just someone else looking for grant money. I'm thinking about doing a study about your chances of finding a party if you hang out with skydivers,with a secondary study on your chances of finding someone doing something stupid. I figure that should be good for a couple million. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #6 May 4, 2008 Quote Quote Just goes to prove you can make surveys say anything you want. Thanks Spence. That's a good way to look at it. I was starting to think it was yet another example of "weak mindedness" that pervays our society UNIVERSITIES these days. You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #7 May 4, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Just goes to prove you can make surveys say anything you want. Thanks Spence. That's a good way to look at it. I was starting to think it was yet another example of "weak mindedness" that pervays our society UNIVERSITIES these days. Speaking of which... are those morons that like to play with their own poo still up a tree at Burkley?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoShitThereIWas 0 #8 May 4, 2008 Good points ... but when you think about it, I can see where this survey is headed ... Many people who did not get a college education are forced to work more physically intensive jobs. I have a wonderful friend who works in a factory and suffers a lot of pain. I think he is practically miserable physically mainly from the wear and tear his job puts on his body. I am sure if he could get a desk job or professional job (which usually requires more education) he most likely would if for nothing else to save his body. I have witnessed this in my own life as well. Without the college degree it is all about skydiving, packing parachutes, rigging, etc. All things which are physically hard on you especially if you have to do it your whole life. With the college degree I can say, I love skydiving and wish to keep it my hobby. Let my brain get worked hard instead of my body. Roy Bacon: "Elvises, light your fires." Sting: "Be yourself no matter what they say." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #9 May 4, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Just goes to prove you can make surveys say anything you want. Thanks Spence. That's a good way to look at it. I was starting to think it was yet another example of "weak mindedness" that pervays our society UNIVERSITIES these days. Speaking of which... are those morons that like to play with their own poo still up a tree at Burkley?? I'm in Australia, How the fuck would i know but hey, it's Cali-four-nigh-eh, they're all a bunch of weirdos thereYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoShitThereIWas 0 #10 May 4, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Just goes to prove you can make surveys say anything you want. Thanks Spence. That's a good way to look at it. I was starting to think it was yet another example of "weak mindedness" that pervays our society UNIVERSITIES these days. Speaking of which... are those morons that like to play with their own poo still up a tree at Burkley?? I'm in Australia, How the fuck would i know but hey, it's Cali-four-nigh-eh, they're all a bunch of weirdos there Hey! I resemble that remark! (And I don't even live there anymore!!!) Roy Bacon: "Elvises, light your fires." Sting: "Be yourself no matter what they say." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #11 May 4, 2008 Actually, you're close, but not quite. Not everyone has to have a college degree. It is a real misconception in the U.S. today that you have to go to college and get some sort of a degree or you're a "looser" or what not. This is not true. What is true is one should get involved in some sort of education so they can andvance in a career or trade. This doesn't always require a college degree. Unfortunately, the "trades" have gone by the way-side in the U.S., but I digress. As for pain, I dunno, the only time in my life I can really think of where I suffered significant pain is when I broke my ankle badly after a low turn skydiving / landing my parachute. I was certainly glad for the morphine and demerall (sp?) in the hospital. I was perscribed Vicodin afterwards, as perscribed. I took the Vicodin for a bit over a week after the surgery. At first, was glad for it, helped me sleep and rest which was about all I could do with a cast on my leg and a bunch of screws and a pate on my Tib & Fib. After a little over a week, I didn't much like the side effects and switched to Extra Strength Tylenol and just took the pain. When I had the hardware out about 9 months later, they gave me a Vicodin before I left the hospital and a perscription for somemore. I took one more that night and then flushed the rest down the toilet the next morning. Pain is a state of mind. It can be controlled, take the pain and just let it pass through you and leave, but that's just me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #12 May 4, 2008 Quote ...but hey, it's Cali-four-nigh-eh, they're all a bunch of weirdos there... Yeah, I cannot tell you how often I wish they would have drawn the Californina / Nevada border where they had planned to in the first place... down the middle of the Siera's... that would mean where I live would be part of Nevada and not California. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cocheese 0 #13 May 5, 2008 I think people that think they know everything are a pain. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #14 May 5, 2008 Quote Pain is a state of mind. It can be controlled, take the pain and just let it pass through you and leave, but that's just me. Very zen. Ever had a kidney stone?You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #15 May 5, 2008 Wouldn't ya know it? Those with lower income and education have more pain. Really? I would have never thought it, considering the jobs those at the bottom of the pay scale and the uneducated hold. It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
poe62 0 #16 May 5, 2008 I'm sure the cause of pain might be different for certain jobs. However, I know the stress and long nights a highly educated person in a high income job causes some serious pain. I'm sure it might not seem like a big deal to most, but constant stress and lack of sleep can really deteriorate health and cause long term pain.~Nikki http://www.facebook.com/poe62 Irgity Dirgity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LuvToFly 0 #17 May 5, 2008 Quote." And, the respondents "reported more pain as they entered their mid-70s." This sort of reminds me of a conversation that I had a couple of months ago with Handsome Dave DeWolf. I was standing next to him and I remarked, "Dave, being younger than you, I still can experience significant aches a day after skydiving... how do you do it so often when you are in your 70's" With a deadpan look, he replies, "I hurt everywhere... and all the time..." Being the eternal jokester, I was not sure how literal he meant that. But then he assured me, he was. That's one more reason why I have respect for the guy, and ANYONE who is thus senior and doing something like skydiving. To be in pain all the time, and to press on to engage in an extreme sport which is clearly more forgiving towards 20 year old bodies is an act of heroism in my view. And you definitely do hurt more as you get older, regardless of what you are doing. That means props, to POPS, SOS, and beyond - As to the survey, it reminds me of when I was a kid and they had these scales in the five and dime that also gave you a rolled up fortune. One day I got one that said, and I quote: "You like good food, and attractive people..." Conducting a survey to conclude that folks living with less income or that might be doing more physical work are living with more pain? Wow... wonder if I can roll that up and put 'er in that scale - Having said that, I often wonder about the whole pain mechanism. It seems faulty. There are times where you need to feel pain to alert you that there is something wrong or an area that needs to be protected. But after you "get" the message, exactly how much pain is really required? My view? I'd like a reboot, please. "The helicopter approaches closer than any other to fulfillment of mankind's ancient dreams of a magic carpet" - Igor Sikorsky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #18 May 5, 2008 Quote Ever had a kidney stone? No, not yet... and I didn't say I won't take pain meds, just that I don't like to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #19 May 6, 2008 Doctor, I have a constant stiffness, and frequently recurring pain in my testicles, what treatment would you consider appropriate? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #20 May 6, 2008 Quote Doctor, I have a constant stiffness, and frequently recurring pain in my testicles, what treatment would you consider appropriate? Well according to that article, when assessing your pain, I should take into consideration your annual salary and level of education.... as opposed to the actual REASON for the pain (and wasn't there a whole thread with images to help you with your recurrent stiffness issues ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broke 0 #21 May 6, 2008 TBIDivot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #22 May 6, 2008 Quote Doctor, I have a constant stiffness, and frequently recurring pain in my testicles, what treatment would you consider appropriate? I think the offending organs should be ectomied GonadigonectomyYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #23 May 6, 2008 Quote TBI Traumatic Brain Injury To Be Ignored Tooth Brushing Instructions Too Busty Information Time based images Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broke 0 #24 May 6, 2008 Well priaprism is a sign of Traumatic Brain InjuryDivot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #25 May 6, 2008 Quote Well priaprism is a sign of Traumatic Brain Injury ahhhh. I get where you were going. it was out of context. So... you're saying that he banged his head on the headboard one too many times? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
