sundevil777 102 #26 January 29, 2006 QuoteThat may have been a issue when we jumped 4-pin main ripcords tied to static-lines, but have you noticed that the latest version of Vector 3 does not have single guide ring? RSL guide rings are another tradition that manufacturers have continued even though they do not understand the operating principles behind the design. Sandy Reid: "If you don't understand something, best copy it exactly." I don't follow you at all. Of course the Vector III is different, and because of the difference does not need a guide ring. Are you saying other rigs don't need the ring either. How do you conclude manufacturers don't understand what they're doing? I think they should adopt the non-patented Vector III design if for no other reason than to have a stronger pin, but the guide ring seems to be crucial, just as it was with 4-pin main ripcords tied to static-lines.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #27 January 29, 2006 I agree that the ring should be there but can see his point. I just looked at my rig to see what angle an RSL system ,without a ring on the flap, would have to pull at to bend or break a pin. It's an angle that's quite likely not attainable. (Queue the anything can happen reply) When releasing the risers, the angle is straight up (relative to the rig, not the ground). The ring would have to pull out and downward (relative to the rig, not the ground) to bend the pin. Heck, it never would have crossed my mind until he posted that.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #28 January 29, 2006 QuoteI agree that the ring should be there but can see his point. I just looked at my rig to see what angle an RSL system ,without a ring on the flap, would have to pull at to bend or break a pin. It's an angle that's quite likely not attainable. (Queue the anything can happen reply) When releasing the risers, the angle is straight up (relative to the rig, not the ground). The ring would have to pull out and downward (relative to the rig, not the ground) to bend the pin. Heck, it never would have crossed my mind until he posted that. How about the scenario of a bag lock that doesn't stand you up. A few people have reported such a body position during a bag lock in a recent thread. That would be a very bad attitude to pull on the reserve cable. Also, a broken or released riser on one side (non RSL side of course) would set you into a poor attitude for when the other side is released.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #29 January 29, 2006 QuoteI agree that the ring should be there but can see his point.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #30 January 29, 2006 QuoteQuoteI agree that the ring should be there but can see his point. I agree that the Vector III design is better and since the old guy with the big beard wants other manufacturers to use it without royalty then they should use it. However, I don't see how manufacturers are misunderstanding the operating principles of the design or how Sandy Reid's comment applies.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #31 January 29, 2006 His comment definately applies. It does not only apply to the RSL but to rigs and components. Many rigs and components have been direct duplicates of another. R&D often means Ripoff and Duplicate RSL for instance: Some one put 2 guide rings on the reserve flap. Because people didn't understand, it was copied. Plenty of folks feared that only one ring would cause the RSL ring to hang on the reserve ripcord housing, which will most definately not occur. If a manufacturer creates a component a certain way and tells the public it's the only way, it will become the only way until someone point blank states otherwise. My point was that I agree that if the ring was not there, it would not be much of a real concern. Since the slim possibility of a problem exists, the ring will eliminate it. . He simply pointed out something that make you go Hmmmm.... Rig manufacturers are not going to stop using the guide ring because of it. Some people who are fairly knowledgeable about rigging are either very set in their way and keep it that way.Some on the other hand ponder when something new is pointed out. I prefer pondering. Hope that helpsMy grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #32 January 29, 2006 Quote Sandy Reid: "If you don't understand something, best copy it exactly." I thought it was Bill Booth that always says something like that?? Oh, maybe Sandy cop... ... err... ... nevermind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggermick 7 #33 January 30, 2006 QuoteQuote Sandy Reid: "If you don't understand something, best copy it exactly." I thought it was Bill Booth that always says something like that?? Oh, maybe Sandy cop... ... err... ... nevermind. The RSL I designed for use on the Reflex was loosly based on the Racers. No, it doesn't have double lanyards or anything so exotic. It simply has a "break" in the housings, it's actually a gap of about 6" between two seperate housings positioned inline that the ripcord cable passes through. The gap located on the top of the users left shoulder. This configuration allows the RSL ring to attach at the point where the user will generally be in an upright position after a cut away. With about 9" of housing between the pin and the RSL ring the pin will always be pulled in a straight line, it has no other choice. Placing the RSL ring at this location also allows for a much shorter RSL lanyard (about 6") and the added protection for the majority of the RSL lanyard to be hidden under the reserve risers. This system can be applied to any current design but not in a retro fit configuration without alot of yoke re-work. It's the cleanest RSL design I could come up with. The other, and probably most overlooked aspect of the design is it is practically invisible with the exception of the snap shackle at the riser. Mick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
