koppel 5 #1 January 25, 2006 Can anyone out there tell me if they have any information on whether the MarS is TSO'd. I emailed the company but got a very garbled (limited english) reply that left me uncertain. Thanks KoppelI like my canopy... ...it lets me down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbla4024 0 #2 January 25, 2006 Are you talking about container, reserve or AAD? I'm quite sure reserve has TSO23d. Ps.: Get Czech reply, I will translate for you. Fido Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #3 January 25, 2006 AAD's, if that's what your asking about, are not TSO'd in the U.S.A. They are the only non TSO'd device or component whose use is specifically regulated in the Federal Aviation Regulations.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark 107 #4 January 25, 2006 QuoteAAD's, if that's what your asking about, are not TSO'd in the U.S.A. They are the only non TSO'd device or component whose use is specifically regulated in the Federal Aviation Regulations. That's true, but there's more. The Mars AAD may not be TSO'd, but installation in a rig not already Mars-compatible would require FAA/manufacturer approval for an alteration to a TSO'd component. The Mars AAD combines all functions (control, processor, cutter) in one box the size of a cigarette pack, installed in a special pocket where the closing loop mounts. If you wanted to install one in, say, your Javelin or Vector, you'd have to remove the closing loop grommet plate, make a pocket for the unit, and fashion a window to through the backpad. These are not trivial tasks, and even if you could find a non-Mars manufacturer willing to approve the alteration, you'd be faced with the major task of converting the rig back if and when you decided to go back to the standard configuration needed for Cypres/Vigil/Argus. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #5 January 25, 2006 Of course your right. I was taking the narrow question of the AAD itself.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbla4024 0 #6 January 25, 2006 Mars rep just told me that all currently produced containers and reserve canopies have got TSO C23d. Fido Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #7 January 25, 2006 QuoteMars rep just told me that all currently produced containers and reserve canopies have got TSO C23d. A quote from their web site. "At the same time we are able to secure following operations: • development and manufacture of the prototypes of the circular parachutes and wing parachutes in the range of the specifications given by the customer (i.e. loading capacity, forward speed, descending, complete weight, system strength etc.) • making of the complete manufacture documentation incl. technological processes • further we are able to secure the flying tests in the range given by TSO C23d, prospective in the accordance with the requirements of the customer. We do the documentation and supporting of the tests in all the range. • common series production more demanding for the needlewomen qualification (parachute techniques etc. It sounds like they may have tested to the standards of TSO C23d but there is no record of them holding a TSO of any type. Sparky TSO C23d [url "My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbla4024 0 #8 January 25, 2006 Their web page is a bit out of date. Try their rep at www.blueskies.cz Fido Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #9 January 25, 2006 QuoteTheir web page is a bit out of date. Try their rep at www.blueskies.cz The FAA does not have any record of a company by the name of MarS holding a TSO. Or any company in the Czech Republic holding a TSO. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #10 January 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteTheir web page is a bit out of date. Try their rep at www.blueskies.cz The FAA does not have any record of a company by the name of MarS holding a TSO. Or any company in the Czech Republic holding a TSO. Sparky >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe they applied for a JAAR TSO, or JTSO or an ETSO, or whatever the European Economic Community calls it these days. European TSO standards - for parachutes - are the same as FAA TSO standards, but no-one says that the European Joint Airworthiness Administration have to inform the FAA of all of their decisions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #11 January 26, 2006 Completely off topic, but the European Economic Community no longer exists. It's now the European Union, a name that reflects its wider goals. There is, however, a European Economic Area which includes all the EU members, plus Norway, Iceland, and Lichtenstein. It allows access to the internal EU market, without all the extra bits and pieces that come with full EU membership. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #12 January 27, 2006 Quoteare the same as FAA TSO standards, But if they have not received a letter of TSO authorization from the FAA the rig is not TSO's in the US. See Attachment: SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
