Remster 30 #51 June 23, 2008 I'm pretty sure having a 220 lbs guy step on him would have antagonized him Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #52 June 23, 2008 QuoteHere's a repeat of a little fellow I almost stepped on while hicking in a busy trail in Tucson. Attachments: Snake lowres.JPG (90.6 KB) That there is a western diamondback rattler. Deadly. You most certainly do NOT want to get bitten by one of those. I've run across quite a few of them, and they freak me out every time, and leave me paranoid for days. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #53 June 23, 2008 Quote and they freak me out every time Not me... I was calm and collected as I heard the spine tingling rattle sound as my foot was coming down, maybe 12 inches above it, and I put more power to my rear lag and leaped over it, as yelled "SNNNNAAAAAAAKKKKKE" for Karen who was 6 fit behind me. I was still calm and collected for the next 10 minutes as I tried to get my heart rate back down from the 200s... Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #54 June 23, 2008 Quote Poison is ingested or inhaled, venom is injected... That sounds like a distinction only in the method of delivery. Venom is still a poison, as it can kill you. The fact that it's delivered to you by injection from fangs doesn't change the fact that it's poison. At least that's the way I'm thinking about it. So I'm not going to be offended if someone talks about fang snakes as "poisonous", because they are. For example, if someone was trying to poison me to death by slipping radiator fluid into my drinks, that would indeed be "poison". On the other hand, if they put the radiator fluid in a hypodermic and injected it into my body, would that then make the radiator fluid "venom" instead of "poison"? It seems illogical to believe so. The substance is identical either way. Only the method of delivery has been changed, from ingestion to injection. And that's only two letters different. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #55 June 23, 2008 You know.. as much hiking as you and others do in snake country.. you MIGHT want to check into some snake gaiters.. or chaps.. they are also good for keeping your clothing and legs intact when you run into thorns or briars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brains 2 #56 June 23, 2008 Quote You know.. as much hiking as you and others do in snake country.. you MIGHT want to check into some snake gaiters.. or chaps.. they are also good for keeping your clothing and legs intact when you run into thorns or briars. I was thinking the same thing. Dove season here starts in September and i never hunt without my snake chaps on. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #57 June 23, 2008 Quote I'm pretty sure having a 220 lbs guy step on him would have antagonized him Bah, no need to worry. Our rattlesnakes prefer American food to French."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #58 June 23, 2008 QuoteQuoteHere's a repeat of a little fellow I almost stepped on while hicking in a busy trail in Tucson. Attachments: Snake lowres.JPG (90.6 KB) That there is a western diamondback rattler. Deadly. You most certainly do NOT want to get bitten by one of those. I've run across quite a few of them, and they freak me out every time, and leave me paranoid for days. Western diamondbacks don't bother me nearly as much as pigmy rattlers. Diamonbacks tend to be calmer than pigmy rattlers, and can be heard much more easily. I knew a guy who had a few snakes (100+). Several of them (5-10) were rattlers. I watched him feed those one evening. It took the diamondback's prey a lot longer to die than the prey of the pigmy rattler. Granted, I don't want to be bitten by either, but if it happened, I think I would have a better chance of surviving the diamondback bite.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingJ 0 #59 June 23, 2008 I just stepped on one of the biggest rattlesnakes I've ever scene recently. I spend the better part of every winter and summer doing prescribed burning and it's a given as the fire is lit that all sorts of stuff will come crawling/hopping/etc. out over the fireline. I'm typically very aware, but a couple weeks back I was having a lot of trouble keeping my torch lit and was preoccupied. A huge engine was driving along next to me and was so loud that I didn't hear any rattling, but I noticed the guys in the truck freaking out and point down at my feet. I looked down and and saw a huge snake wriggling all over the place. Somehow I managed to step within about 6 inches of his head which left him repeatedly trying to strike my leather boot but without much force behind it. I've never jumped so high and so far in my life. I swear my heartbeat must have been up over 250 for a few minutes. Coming up on all sorts of snakes is a daily occurance in the places I work, but I'm still working on un-puckering from that meeting.Once it starts getting warm I wear my snake boots for all field work, but on fire I have to wear my shorter (10 inch) and thinner leather fire boots. Sure wouldn't mind seeing some regulations changed to allow snake boots out on fires! Killing threads since 2004. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingJ 0 #60 June 23, 2008 I've never been able to find it again, but a few years back I read something that quoted a study done about various types of accidents and when and who they happened to. For snakebites, they studied addmittance to emergency rooms compared to televised Auburn and Alabama football games. The number of people showing up in emergency rooms for snakebite treatment dropped tremendously any time the games were televised and all the local drunk yahoos were inside watching TV instead of outside playing with snakes. Killing threads since 2004. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #61 June 24, 2008 Quote For snakebites, they studied addmittance to emergency rooms compared to televised Auburn and Alabama football games. The number of people showing up in emergency rooms for snakebite treatment dropped tremendously any time the games were televised and all the local drunk yahoos were inside watching TV instead of outside playing with snakes. That's an interesting correlation. But for me, I go out in the woods to get away from being a couch potato watching sports on TV. So I guess I help balance things out in the yin-yang scheme. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #62 June 24, 2008 QuoteI knew a guy who had a few snakes (100+). Several of them (5-10) were rattlers. I watched him feed those one evening. It took the diamondback's prey a lot longer to die than the prey of the pigmy rattler. Hmmm. That's interesting. Perhaps the pygmy rattler's venom is more concentrated, but there's bound to be less of it. So for a small victim like a mouse, what's there is probably more than enough. But for a 200 lb. man, maybe it would be diluted more so that it wouldn't have as much effect. Just pondering... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #63 June 24, 2008 QuoteHmmm. That's interesting. Perhaps the pygmy rattler's venom is more concentrated, but there's bound to be less of it. So for a small victim like a mouse, what's there is probably more than enough. But for a 200 lb. man, maybe it would be diluted more so that it wouldn't have as much effect. Just pondering... I asked him about it at the time. Apparently the venom of the two snakes works in different ways. The pygmy rattler's venom works on the nervous system, while the diamondback's venom works on the (IIRC) the muscular system.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #64 June 24, 2008 Quote....Poison is ingested or inhaled, venom is injected... Pretty accurate. I found the explanation below at this site. Quote The difference between Venomous and Poisonous The words 'venom' and 'poison' should not be confused. Venom is used to describe a toxin that is delivered with specialised organs by stinging or biting using stingers, fangs, hollow fangs, a proboscis or tentacles. Snakes, Scorpions, Spiders and Wasps are Venomous. Poisonous creatures have a toxin but have no method of delivery. They have to be eaten or touched in the case of the Poison Arrow Frog to be harmful. when another animal eats the poisonous animal, the predator may become ill or even die. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #65 June 24, 2008 Well, John, I'd have used my "snake catcher" (see attached pic... works on cats too) to apprehend said serpents... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #66 June 26, 2008 Quote Here's a repeat of a little fellow I almost stepped on while hicking in a busy trail in Tucson. It hissed and rattled. My identification skills told me it was a snake I didnt want to play with. Holy Salmon shit, and yet you got a pic from that close, Id have peed my pants. They are pretty though...from far awaySudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #67 June 26, 2008 Quote and yet you got a pic from that close No... Karen did! She wasnt that close. Maybe 10 feet away with a zoom, and her hands at full extension trying to get a good pic... Thats why most of the snake isnt in the picture, she couldnt see the LCD to frame it well...Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #68 June 26, 2008 QuoteThats why most of the snake isnt in the picture, she couldnt see the LCD to frame it well... And in bright sunlight, you can't see the LCD well either. So how come the idiot camera manufacturers quit putting old-fashioned view finders on cameras? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #69 June 26, 2008 Quote quit putting old-fashioned view finders on cameras? Our camera has one, but Karen didnt want to put her face any closer! lol.... Cant say that I would have either! Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #70 June 26, 2008 ***They haven't encroached on human habitat; we've encroached on their habitat. Quote I understand your intent, but at what point are humans not allowed to have habitat of their own? If a fox builds a den near the snake's hole, is he to be critisized for killing the snake when it comes near his den because he's encroaching? Is the fox wrong to kill the snake if he encounters it on his journey because he percieves it as a threat? Is the fox justified in his actions and the human is not? If a wolf kills the fox is it encroaching on the fox's habitat? At some level we are creatures and predators that are entitled to our own habitat and entitled to protect it from other anilmals (or reptiles), don't you think?Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #71 June 26, 2008 QuoteQuote Many non venomous have broad shaped heads.... And some very dangerous snakes have 'pointy' heads. Attached is a pic of a South African boomslang (literally tree snake), one of the deadliest snakes in the world. It's so tiny! Only one pixel! I can understand why they kill so many people, they're impossible to see! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #72 June 26, 2008 what Acme said, especially bout number 3! Surprised you saw so many. I thought most Texas snakes held political office.2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RhondaLea 4 #73 June 27, 2008 Quote***They haven't encroached on human habitat; we've encroached on their habitat. Quote I understand your intent, but at what point are humans not allowed to have habitat of their own? If a fox builds a den near the snake's hole, is he to be critisized for killing the snake when it comes near his den because he's encroaching? Is the fox wrong to kill the snake if he encounters it on his journey because he percieves it as a threat? Is the fox justified in his actions and the human is not? If a wolf kills the fox is it encroaching on the fox's habitat? At some level we are creatures and predators that are entitled to our own habitat and entitled to protect it from other anilmals (or reptiles), don't you think? I don't think there's a good analogy between foxes and humans, fox habitat and human habitat. We have bulldozers and we use them to excess. Foxes don't. We have other ways of dealing a non-immediate threat from a snake. Nearly all communities have animal control officers, and they are trained to deal with the removal and relocation of snakes. Most snakes are harmless, but people kill them anyway. Snakes are a valuable part of the ecosystem, and we damage ourselves when we kill them without provocation. A little respect for the creatures with which we share habitat goes a long way. Humans are the only predators that "hunt" their prey to extinction. It's a mistake, and one for which we will eventually pay a heavy price.If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bluheelrtx 0 #74 June 28, 2008 Boo! This handsome fella was hunting mice near my garden when my girlfriend almost stepped on him.-- Jason -- Some people never go crazy. What truly boring lives they must lead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Erroll 80 #75 June 30, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Many non venomous have broad shaped heads.... And some very dangerous snakes have 'pointy' heads. Attached is a pic of a South African boomslang (literally tree snake), one of the deadliest snakes in the world. It's so tiny! Only one pixel! I can understand why they kill so many people, they're impossible to see! Don't know what happened there! Here is another attempt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 3 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
SpeedRacer 1 #71 June 26, 2008 QuoteQuote Many non venomous have broad shaped heads.... And some very dangerous snakes have 'pointy' heads. Attached is a pic of a South African boomslang (literally tree snake), one of the deadliest snakes in the world. It's so tiny! Only one pixel! I can understand why they kill so many people, they're impossible to see! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #72 June 26, 2008 what Acme said, especially bout number 3! Surprised you saw so many. I thought most Texas snakes held political office.2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #73 June 27, 2008 Quote***They haven't encroached on human habitat; we've encroached on their habitat. Quote I understand your intent, but at what point are humans not allowed to have habitat of their own? If a fox builds a den near the snake's hole, is he to be critisized for killing the snake when it comes near his den because he's encroaching? Is the fox wrong to kill the snake if he encounters it on his journey because he percieves it as a threat? Is the fox justified in his actions and the human is not? If a wolf kills the fox is it encroaching on the fox's habitat? At some level we are creatures and predators that are entitled to our own habitat and entitled to protect it from other anilmals (or reptiles), don't you think? I don't think there's a good analogy between foxes and humans, fox habitat and human habitat. We have bulldozers and we use them to excess. Foxes don't. We have other ways of dealing a non-immediate threat from a snake. Nearly all communities have animal control officers, and they are trained to deal with the removal and relocation of snakes. Most snakes are harmless, but people kill them anyway. Snakes are a valuable part of the ecosystem, and we damage ourselves when we kill them without provocation. A little respect for the creatures with which we share habitat goes a long way. Humans are the only predators that "hunt" their prey to extinction. It's a mistake, and one for which we will eventually pay a heavy price.If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bluheelrtx 0 #74 June 28, 2008 Boo! This handsome fella was hunting mice near my garden when my girlfriend almost stepped on him.-- Jason -- Some people never go crazy. What truly boring lives they must lead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Erroll 80 #75 June 30, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Many non venomous have broad shaped heads.... And some very dangerous snakes have 'pointy' heads. Attached is a pic of a South African boomslang (literally tree snake), one of the deadliest snakes in the world. It's so tiny! Only one pixel! I can understand why they kill so many people, they're impossible to see! Don't know what happened there! Here is another attempt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 3 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
bluheelrtx 0 #74 June 28, 2008 Boo! This handsome fella was hunting mice near my garden when my girlfriend almost stepped on him.-- Jason -- Some people never go crazy. What truly boring lives they must lead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #75 June 30, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Many non venomous have broad shaped heads.... And some very dangerous snakes have 'pointy' heads. Attached is a pic of a South African boomslang (literally tree snake), one of the deadliest snakes in the world. It's so tiny! Only one pixel! I can understand why they kill so many people, they're impossible to see! Don't know what happened there! Here is another attempt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites