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Family Law Statutes in the State of Texas leaves him or her no choice, Unless he signs them over to the mother with an agreement that he not pay. Other than that, he's done.

In the state of Texas, being one day late, a week late, being late at all with a child support payment is a felonious charge of "Failure to provide financial assitance" Let's say your 5 payments, late or behind, or the amount is more than $5,000.00 All you Ex has to do is sick the AG's office on you, you will have a bench warrant placed on you with no possibility of bail. (In some instances)

So, we get back to "Pay, or not to Pay" Looks to me like you would be doing your self a service by paying, continue working and keep felonious records off of your sheet.

So - you are in favor of extortion, then.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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That whole felonious behavior of unemployment is just plain criminal, isn't it?

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That whole felonious behavior of unemployment is just plain criminal, isn't it?

Typical, lazy male attitude. Just what is your problem?

She isn't going to be able to buy that new bass boat unless you get off your butt and do something.
Are you intentionally trying to prevent her new b/f from being able to go fishing?
I'll bet you've always been that way. Just going out of your way to stir up trouble.

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Bwahahahahahaha

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That whole felonious behavior of unemployment is just plain criminal, isn't it?

Typical, lazy male attitude. Just what is your problem?

She isn't going to be able to buy that new bass boat unless you get off your butt and do something.
Are you intentionally trying to prevent her new b/f from being able to go fishing?
I'll bet you've always been that way. Just going out of your way to stir up trouble.

Oh your such a shit stirer Bill LMLAO

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That whole felonious behavior of unemployment is just plain criminal, isn't it?

Typical, lazy male attitude. Just what is your problem?

She isn't going to be able to buy that new bass boat unless you get off your butt and do something.
Are you intentionally trying to prevent her new b/f from being able to go fishing?
I'll bet you've always been that way. Just going out of your way to stir up trouble.

Oh your such a shit stirer Bill LMLAO

One man's shit stir is another man's gavel.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Reading this....I wish people would be more selective with whom they choose to procreate with.

~Built for Abuse
www.skydivethefarm.com

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Oh your such a shit stirer Bill LMLAO

Moi?

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Reading this....I wish people would be more selective with whom they choose to procreate with.

Whatever! . . . I don't have to read this thread - I just remember spending times with Billy Vance and FutureDivot and I get that.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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That whole felonious behavior of unemployment is just plain criminal, isn't it?

Typical, lazy male attitude. Just what is your problem?

She isn't going to be able to buy that new bass boat unless you get off your butt and do something.
Are you intentionally trying to prevent her new b/f from being able to go fishing?
I'll bet you've always been that way. Just going out of your way to stir up trouble.

Oh your such a shit stirer Bill LMLAO

One man's shit stir is another man's gavel.

If I had never met them both in person then would think this was serious, both good with sarcasm must have been hanging out with POMS tooooo long lol

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So.... If someone gets married, has 2 daughters and then the marriage fails. Should the father be financially responsible for the girls if the ex wife gets full custody and refuses to let the father see his children????

Let's keep it light... I don't want this moved to speakers corner.

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There better be a damn good reason for not letting dad see them, Like the safety of the kids, other than that, Let dad see his kids. every parent should pay for thier child. If the exwife refuses to work, then she should not have custody anyway, what kind of example is that for kids. Work part time, come on the dad still has to eat

So i just broke up with this woman who wasn't even my girlfriend!

Hellfish #782, POPS #10664

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Reading this....I wish people would be more selective with whom they choose to procreate with.

That won't work because people don't marry people who are driving them insane to begin with.

Of course, any information is welcome.
I need a post from someone who has no crazy people in their recent dating history to educate me.
I suspect that the sound of crickets chirping should be louder than the sound of keys being depressed.

Willie Nelson once explained why he had no money.
"Between the IRS and the ex-wives, I am broke.
However, as long as women keep using the same old bait, I'll keep falling into the trap."

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Just happening too often in our society for me not to wonder if some women are too eager to jump in bed with deadbeats and some men are too blind for screwing around with vindictive money hungry women.

Divorces CAN be amicable and not harmful to the children. It all depends on how the adults handle it...I personally would have thought twice to have children with a man that I thought would not fulfill his duty as a father. And if he does turn out to be a loser, I'll be damn if I have to depend on him to support us. Just my two cents...

~Built for Abuse
www.skydivethefarm.com

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My guess is that you're still young.


What goes around comes around though....these days the women I meet are collecting from someone else, so the house I'm buying for someone else...another poor bastard is paying for the one I'm in...

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What goes around comes around though....these days the women I meet are collecting from someone else, so the house I'm buying for someone else...another poor bastard is paying for the one I'm in...

Good one! I like the thought of that.

And I'm not that young. I was a teenage mother and there were many rough times with the Daddy but he never tried to not support us financially when he could. When he couldn't, I took care of it myself. I understand everyone's situation is unique, but it's sad to see where the trend is going. Let's face it, flip through the yellow pages and you'll find more divorce lawyers than any other...*shrug*

To keep to the topic, yes, he should pay and be the better half. The children will thank him for it and maybe REQUEST more time with their wonderful Dad!

~Built for Abuse
www.skydivethefarm.com

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So - you are in favor of extortion, then.

I said, nor did i infer any such thing. I simply quoted the law from a family law book in my library. Please do not put words in my mouth. Thanks.

-Richard-
"You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall"

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So - you are in favor of extortion, then.

I said, nor did i infer any such thing. I simply quoted the law from a family law book in my library. Please do not put words in my mouth. Thanks.

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So, we get back to "Pay, or not to Pay" Looks to me like you would be doing your self a service by paying, continue working and keep felonious records off of your sheet.

If the system promotes this action, as you describe it; and they do, because, it is easier for them in the long run, to make it SO MUCH harder for the fathers to defend themselves and thus just go along with the system, reducing their time and paperwork load, then that pretty much seems like extortion to me.

It's a catch 22, unless you have the money to fight it.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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A non custodial parent, whether paying child support or not is still obligated under the family law code to pay child support. Most women don't know the family laws Having said that, if the mother is the custodial parent, and is, or is not recievieng child support money DOES NOT give her the right to be in Contempt Of Court, refuse to let the father have his visitation rights. But for clarification; Anything in the Final Divorce Decree are not only the judges decision, it's now become the law(s) you both must follow. Breaking ANY rule in the Final Divorce Decree is Contempt Of Court.

The sad thing about Family law, let's face it, it's only the children who get hurt, not the parents, they're too busy being vindictive.

-Richard-
"You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall"

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Whatever! . . . I don't have to read this thread - I just remember spending times with Billy Vance and FutureDivot and I get that.

Or, you can head to the windy city for profesional abuse and if you're good-you can have an umbrella


But don't post about it or people will bash you over the head with their insecurties

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

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Yes.

What a bytch.

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." -Albert Einstein

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If the system promotes this action, as you describe it; and they do, because, it is easier for them in the long run, to make it SO MUCH harder for the fathers to defend themselves and thus just go along with the system, reducing their time and paperwork load, then that pretty much seems like extortion to me.

Wrong. The reason it's structured like that is because the women all get on AFDC as quick as they can, swear to God they've never recieved a dime, and then when you go to Court, the Judge will tell you, "Well son, it's easier for me to get the money out of you than her." So they put you on probation, cut you loose and tell you if you have to get 10 jobs to catch up the arrears and get current, then by all means, get at it.

I do not condone these ideals, i do not agree with AFDC being tax free, i do not condone the custodial parent being the only parent who can declare the children a tax deduction either.

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It's a catch 22, unless you have the money to fight it.

Play your cards right, 99% of divorcing women have no money for Legal Council, therefore they have it written in the filing of the original divorce decree that the male should pay for all of her lawyer bills and expenses. Simply file a motion that she pay her's, and you pay your's, and she's done in. NOW, it's her that has to pay Legal Council to get YOU to pay. In fact 99% of the laywers will quit that case, or "Continue It To Death"

Another point: Whom ever (The male, or female in the relationship) takes any possessions, real or personal, those items belong to the man or woman that took them before the divorce was filed, until the Final Divorce Decree has been handed down from the court. That's the reason the women aleays leave on the "sneak" when they know your out of town, etc...File a restraining order ASAP and as often as possible. As far as it causing the father to have to caugh up a bunch of money to retain a lawyer, YOU FILE FIRST. Then ask the court to have her pay your laywer bills, that's a kick! All these little BS tricks available to the mothers, are available to the fathers as well, the fathers just dont know about them. Note: NEVER MAKE A CHILD SUPPORT PAYMENT IN CASH....NEVER

-Richard-
"You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall"

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Whatever! . . . I don't have to read this thread - I just remember spending times with Billy Vance and FutureDivot and I get that.

Or, you can head to the windy city for profesional abuse and if you're good-you can have an umbrella


But don't post about it or people will bash you over the head with their insecurties

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

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RL:

What a statement for such a learned legal mind. It is indeed predudiced and most rhetorical. The Final Divorce Decree is just that, the FINAL DIVORCE DECREE. Whether the non custodial parent pays or not, this is not sufficient circumstances for refusal of visitation, you know that. In fact, it's quite the opposite, it's called "Contempt Of Court" On the custodial parent's behalf, and you know that. So why ever would you let such words come out of your mouth? I'm shocked!

-Richard-
"You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall"

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He is still the children's father, and his concern should be for their welfare. Cutting off their support because he is refused visitation shows clearly where his concern lies.

RL:

What a statement for such a learned legal mind. It is indeed predudiced and most rhetorical. The Final Divorce Decree is just that, the FINAL DIVORCE DECREE. Whether the non custodial parent pays or not, this is not sufficient circumstances for refusal of visitation, you know that.

Whoa! Chicken, egg. Cart, horse.

I, for one, do not believe that a parent has the right to withhold visitation for any reason. If you'd like to check with my daughter and her father, they can verify that I stood on my head to make sure that he had her whenever he wanted, even if it meant my driving an hour each way to drop her off and pick her up, because he was not in a position to contribute to the transportation at the time.

I believe that parents have the absolute obligation to foster a loving and respectful relationship between the children and the other parent, no exceptions.

But it works the other way too--just because one parent is withholding something (visitation or support), doesn't mean that it's a free pass for the other parent to withhold something else (support or visitation). (This means that if the non-custodial parent does not pay his support, the custodial parent has the right to take any and all legal action required to obtain support, but it does not mean the custodial parent has the right to withhold visitation because support is not being paid. In my mind--and as far is the law is concerned--support and visitation are not a quid pro quo. They are totally separate and unrelated issues.)

In this case, however, there is a court order, and this bozo is saying that if he is not given what he wants, he's going to cut off his kids.

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In fact, it's quite the opposite, it's called "Contempt Of Court" On the custodial parent's behalf, and you know that. So why ever would you let such words come out of your mouth? I'm shocked!

See above.

As an aside, based on the facts presented by the OP, neither of these parents seem to have the best interests of their children in mind, and both of them should be attending parenting classes, not just the father.

If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

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This statement made me wonder...which is it the dad wants? Is he wanting more time with his kids, and hoping the threat of withholding money will accomplish that, OR is he looking to get out of paying money and willing to give up seeing his kids in order not to pay?

Money has nothing to do with this one, in fact it's going to costs money to get it done. Perhaps the non custodial parent feels like he/her didn't get the alotted visitation time in the original divorcee decree and wanted to "Modify The Original Divorce Decree" Which is either of the divorced parents rights. This would certainly not lower his/her payments.

Now on the other hand if the non custodial parent is a habitual drugee, or alcholic and because of erratic behaviour poses a health risks, or physical risks, then if they are ordered to pay, and don't get visitation rights, tough shit. Pay, or go to jail.

-Richard-
"You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall"