One REALLY F-ed up newsfeed!

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Just read this shit.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,395313,00.html

I will be kissing hands and shaking babies all afternoon. Thanks for all your support! *bows*

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[millertime24 8]

30+ people on this bus and not 1 tried to stop this cunt-face from killing the guy or dismembering him after the fact?

Muff #5048

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30+ people on this bus and not 1 tried to stop this cunt-face from killing the guy or dismembering him after the fact?

Having been attacked by a nutcase in a public situation, where lots of witnesses stood by and did nothing, this is no surprise to me.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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30+ people on this bus and not 1 tried to stop this cunt-face from killing the guy or dismembering him after the fact?

How do you know nobody tried? Because you read one news report?

typical.

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30+ people on this bus and not 1 tried to stop this cunt-face from killing the guy or dismembering him after the fact?

How do you know nobody tried? Because you read one news report?

typical.

No. Because he DECAPITATED someone. Thats not something that can be done very quickly or easily with 4 or 5 motherfuckers trying to stop you (Im medical I know what has to be cut through). How about you people utilize a little common sense.

Muff #5048

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Have you seen who is usually riding a grey hound bus?
sorry to say, after the first 10 stabs the guy is most likely in serious trouble. So I try to stop the stabber, and in turn he stabs the shit out of me?? I don't fucking think so.
Now when he went to work on the decapitation, what you want me to storm the bus and risk again getting stabbed by this fuck nut?

Be real. Nothing could have stopped this fucker, besides something like airport security before getting on the bus. That would be a SC discussion though.

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As the three guarded the door with a crow bar and a hammer, the attacker went back to the body and calmly came to the front of the bus to show off the head.

Awefully hard to stab someone when they are trying to beat your ass with a fucking hammer and crow bar.

Muff #5048

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Have you seen who is usually riding a grey hound bus?
sorry to say, after the first 10 stabs the guy is most likely in serious trouble. So I try to stop the stabber, and in turn he stabs the shit out of me?? I don't fucking think so.
Now when he went to work on the decapitation, what you want me to storm the bus and risk again getting stabbed by this fuck nut?

Be real. Nothing could have stopped this fucker, besides something like airport security before getting on the bus. That would be a SC discussion though.

You don't' think THIRTY-FIVE people could stop ONE man???

So you are saying if I see someone in trouble, I should not try to help because I might get hurt???

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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Have you seen who is usually riding a grey hound bus?
sorry to say, after the first 10 stabs the guy is most likely in serious trouble. So I try to stop the stabber, and in turn he stabs the shit out of me?? I don't fucking think so.
though.

Come on man...all we got is eachother.

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I'm saying the man was dead, the story says the guy stabbed him a great deal of times before most even had time to react.

And you missed what I said about the people that ride the bus. Most are old, and would end up the same as the attacked if they tried to do something. Plus you're looking at close combat with limited range of motion. 30 people are not going to be able to get to the one man at once. You might get one or two at a time, and the attacker could most likely injure one or two at a time given he had more than a pocket knife from the sounds of it.

In certain situations yes I would help someone in trouble, but each situation is going to be different.

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Come on man...all we got is each other.

That is how it should be, but that was not what happened here, (or in my experience).

I've read some articles about psychological studies which have found that the more witnesses there are to an attack, the less likely it is that anyone will help. On the upside, they also found that if just one person makes an effort to help, others will likely assist.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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I'm saying the man was dead, the story says the guy stabbed him a great deal of times before most even had time to react.

And you missed what I said about the people that ride the bus. Most are old, and would end up the same as the attacked if they tried to do something. Plus you're looking at close combat with limited range of motion. 30 people are not going to be able to get to the one man at once. You might get one or two at a time, and the attacker could most likely injure one or two at a time given he had more than a pocket knife from the sounds of it.

In certain situations yes I would help someone in trouble, but each situation is going to be different.

This makes about as much sense as tits on a bull. 4 or 5 people could have easily just SAT on the guy and stopped him plus they also had weapons. So from your logic since the guy MUST have been dead from multiple stab wounds the people were right to just stand by and do nothing?

On another note, this could have ended far better if someone had (how do I say this and not get it sent to SC) a high velocity lead dispensing device.

Muff #5048

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Yeah. It takes a special kind of person to lead the way.

SAN JOSE, Costa Rica - An American tourist who watched as a U.S. military veteran in his 70s used his bare hands to kill an armed assailant in Costa Rica said she thought the attempted robbery was a joke — until the masked attacker held a gun to her head.

“I thought it was a skit. But then he pointed the gun at my head and grabbed me by the throat and I thought I was going to die,” Clova Adams, 54, told The Associated Press by telephone Friday from the Carnival Liberty cruise ship.

The assault occurred during a ship stopover Wednesday in Limon, 80 miles east of San Jose, Costa Rica’s capital.

Adams was with 12 American tourists who hired a driver to explore Costa Rica for a few hours. They were climbing out of the van to visit a Caribbean beach when three men wearing ski masks ran toward them, she said. One held a gun to her head, while the other two pulled out knives.

Tourist fights back
Suddenly, one of the tourists, a U.S. military veteran trained in self defense, jumped out of the van and put the gunman in a headlock, according to Limon police chief Luis Hernandez.

Hernandez said the American, whom he refused to identify, struggled with the robber, breaking his collarbone and eventually killing him. Police identified the dead man as Warner Segura, 20. The other two assailants fled.

“I was very scared at the moment,” Costa Rican bus driver Roberto Frances Allen said in an interview in Limon.

“The bus was shaking and women were screaming,” he recalled. “There were two shots and I heard him (Segura) try to fire more, but the gun didn’t fire. Luckily, the tourists had forced his hand up and the shots hit the roof of the bus.”

Afterward, the tourists drove Segura to a hospital, where he was declared dead. Sergio Lopez, a Red Cross auxiliary, examined Segura’s body and said he died from asphyxiation.

Lopez also treated Adams for a panic attack.

“She was very nervous after the assault, but she had not been physically hurt,” Lopez said...



http://www.blackfive.net/main/2007/02/70_year_old_vet.html

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"The attacker turned toward them and the three men quickly left the bus, blocking the door as the attacker slashed at them through an opening. The three secured the door to prevent the man from fleeing. Caton said the driver disabled the vehicle after the attacker tried to drive it away.

As the three guarded the door with a crow bar and a hammer, the attacker went back to the body and calmly came to the front of the bus to show off the head."

First off, if you are going to quote a story, fucking quote it right. Although they had weapons they were outside the bus, and he was inside. Yes they could have probably stormed the bus, but yet again, why? The attacker is trapped, and his victim is most definitely dead. The best they could do at that point was make sure no one else was hurt and that the guy didn't escape. Which they did.

And yes a high velocity lead dispensing device would make a great deal of difference, but again would it have saved the victims life? Doubtful. Also, good luck when you use said device on someone who has not attacked you. Yup believe it or not, unless you are in danger you in fact are committing murder. You wouldn't think that is possible. You get a Police department that disagrees, or a DA and you're looking at defending yourself. All that can be avoided by simply making sure no one else is hurt and making sure the attacker is going no where.

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On another note, this could have ended far better if someone had (how do I say this and not get it sent to SC) a high velocity lead dispensing device.

exactly what I thought when I read the article

You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early!

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Also, good luck when you use said device on someone who has not attacked you. Yup believe it or not, unless you are in danger you in fact are committing murder.

WRONG!
You need to read up on self-defense law. It includes protecting third parties under attack.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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My point is why did nobody do anything while the guy was BEING stabbed? I guess if someone comes up and starts stabbing the shit out of you you would want everyone to flee for their lives because you must OBVIOUSLY be dead already. Hope I never have to trust people like you for anything.

Muff #5048

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By that time it was definitely too late and they did the right thing. Perhaps a better time to intervene and potentially save the victim's life would have been immediately after the blood-curdling scream.

For future reference people... grab the knife hand and don't fucking let go. In preparation for such a day, self-defense classes would be my recommendation.

www.FourWheelerHB.com

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Easy to say at your computer mate. Thats about all i have to say about that

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People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

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On another note, this could have ended far better if someone had (how do I say this and not get it sent to SC) a high velocity lead dispensing device.

exactly what I thought when I read the article

Well it IS Canada. Who the fuck knows what high velocity lead dispensing device laws they have.

Muff #5048

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Also, good luck when you use said device on someone who has not attacked you. Yup believe it or not, unless you are in danger you in fact are committing murder.

WRONG!
You need to read up on self-defense law. It includes protecting third parties under attack.

I wish it was that easy.

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My point is why did nobody do anything while the guy was BEING stabbed?

Wikipedia article on the "Bystander Effect":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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I have to agree with everyone else here Paul. I couldn't just sit there and do nothing even if it meant i would get injured....

Imagine what would have happened in Knoxville this past weekend when the guy stormed into a church with a shotgun and started spraying. If he had his way he would have killed everyone in there and then been shot by the police. It turned out that a few brave souls jumped on the guy and restrained him until the police arrived....

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My point is why did nobody do anything while the guy was BEING stabbed? I guess if someone comes up and starts stabbing the shit out of you you would want everyone to flee for their lives because you must OBVIOUSLY be dead already. Hope I never have to trust people like you for anything.

the article said he had been stabbed what 30-50 times in a very short time. The truth is I have no idea how I'd react in that situation. Maybe I can take the guy, maybe I can't. If I can yeah I can give it a try, but what will the outcome be? Passenger still dead, others still safe, attacker caught. How is that any different than what happened without anyone else getting involved?

This is most definitely not a very easy scenario to have an answer for. You seem to be assuming that the people on the bus were within a close proximity when the attack occured. This could possibly not be true. The ones close enough, how do you know they are capable of stopping such an attack? The ones capable of stopping the attack, maybe they can't get to it because of the ones that can't are running away that are close enough.

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Also, good luck when you use said device on someone who has not attacked you. Yup believe it or not, unless you are in danger you in fact are committing murder.

WRONG!
You need to read up on self-defense law. It includes protecting third parties under attack.

I wish it was that easy.

I received my information from:
- Reading books on the topic.
- Studying the state codes of Indiana and Colorado.
- Attending a class taught by a Boulder County law enforcement officer.
- Interviewing an Indiana law enforcement officer.

What is the source of your information?

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.