One REALLY F-ed up newsfeed!

simplyputsi · August 1, 2008

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I have to agree with everyone else here Paul. I couldn't just sit there and do nothing even if it meant i would get injured....

Imagine what would have happened in Knoxville this past weekend when the guy stormed into a church with a shotgun and started spraying. If he had his way he would have killed everyone in there and then been shot by the police. It turned out that a few brave souls jumped on the guy and restrained him until the police arrived....

different scenario, different reaction. A church has a lot more room to move around in than a bus. Gonna have to say it's easier to defend oneself given them odds and having a pack of people help, even if someone has a shotgun.

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simplyputsi · August 1, 2008

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Also, good luck when you use said device on someone who has not attacked you. Yup believe it or not, unless you are in danger you in fact are committing murder.

WRONG!
You need to read up on self-defense law. It includes protecting third parties under attack.

I wish it was that easy.

I received my information from:
- Reading books on the topic.
- Studying the state codes of Indiana and Colorado.
- Attending a class taught by a Boulder County law enforcement officer.
- Interviewing an Indiana law enforcement officer.

What is the source of your information?

That would be first hand experience of being fucked by the man for defending my own life.

done with this

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JohnRich · August 1, 2008

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And yes a high velocity lead dispensing device would make a great deal of difference, but again would it have saved the victims life? Doubtful. Also, good luck when you use said device on someone who has not attacked you. Yup believe it or not, unless you are in danger you in fact are committing murder.

Clarification: One is allowed to use deadly force to protect the lives of others, just as they would be to protect their own.

NtheSeaOrSky · August 1, 2008

I can't even describe how disturbed I was when I read the article, mostly with the demeanor of the attacker.

I, too, have been on the shaft end of bystanders doing nothing and as much as it sucks, it is a personal decision and one many people don't think about until after the fact. For me personally, the consequences of being jailed, injured etc for doing what I believed was the right thing is so much less than that of doing nothing and knowing for the rest of my life I *could* have made a difference and didn't.

Without being there, there is no way to know all the variables. People do survive multiple stab wounds just as some people don't survive one seemingly superficial one. That part of the equation is out of my hands.

I was forced to defend my life while waiting on police who got lost responding to a 911 call. I got arrested. It sucked beyond belief. The charges were dropped, but even if I had gone to jail...given the exact same circumstances, I would do it the same.

Life is not fair and there are no guarantees...

quade · August 1, 2008

Any bets on whether or not we hear something about him recently seeing "The Dark Knight"?

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Sletzer · August 1, 2008

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Any bets on whether or not we hear something about him recently seeing "The Dark Knight"?

Oh God. That's the last thing that needs to come out his mouth. (But who knows?)

I had to post this article. The guys demeanor really disturbed me, and the fact that someone's life could end so randomly and horribly bothered me as well. Not to mention this article made me angry.... that someone could do this, that he wasn't stopped, that the guy didn't even have a chance to defend his life. Like I said, this was a fucked up newsfeed.

I'm not aware of the current laws in Canada, but this seems like the kind of cruel and heartless act that deserves capital punishment.... but that's another debate.

I thought this article might stir up some emotions.

I will be kissing hands and shaking babies all afternoon. Thanks for all your support! *bows*

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Leapinglizardto · August 1, 2008

Wow, that was indeed Extremely disturbing to read. However to me, reading it after the fact, and seeing something like this happen right before my eyes? Two completely different things. Two completely different instinctive reactions.
Speaking from personal previous experiences, even with an attack this insanely violent. It would be instictively natural for me, to respond physically to attempt to abort the assault, before anything else, including the personal consequences could register.
That is NOT to disagree with or judge anyone else's reaction or statements here. Nor does it make me a better or more caring person than anyone else. Every person responds to traumatic events and stimuli in their own unique way.
Outside of course, of some equally mentally deviant, potential witness actually cheering the sick, twisted, completely insane socio-pathic homicidal maniac on, during the course of the assault. I honestly can not judge, other witnesses reactions or what may appear to be a lack of, as not 'doing the right thing'.
No two peoples psyche, or thought and reaction processes, are exactly the same. We all respond rather uniquely to horrific traumatizing events.
One person's view of bravery is another's view of foolishness & the reverse as well.
Did their reaction really 'fail' to save one man's life,or did they really 'succeed' in saving 36 others?
re: 09/11/01
Did all the rescue efforts of the pros & the volunteers fail those that were lost & could not be evacuated in time or save the lives of those who were?

It's pretty pathetic when you have to TELL people you're fucking cool Skymama «narrative»This thread will lock in 3..2.. What a load of narrow-minded Xenophobic Bullshit!-squeak

NtheSeaOrSky · August 1, 2008

It is everyone's personal decision and their own comfort level to decide what the right thing for them is - what they can live with, what they can't, what will or won't be on their conscience.

There are sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs...this incident is just another reminder.

Life is not fair and there are no guarantees...

CSpenceFLY · August 1, 2008

I have a free Dublin Boogie shirt to the person that guesses what my first thought was when I read this.

Trader Feedback · August 3, 2008

F'ing nasty. Link has a link to police comms recorded from a scanner.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,396581,00.html

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auburnguy · August 3, 2008

Jesus titty fucking christ

"If you don't like your job, you don't strike! You just go in every day, and do it really half assed. That's the American way."
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Hausse · August 4, 2008

Why on earth were they waiting for a SWAT team instead of just blowing the guys head off?

Squeak · August 4, 2008

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I have a free Dublin Boogie shirt to the person that guesses what my first thought was when I read this.

You got A N G R Y

My wife and i were talking about this, (she's a mental health professional), and I said that guy needs a "high velocity lead implant". She said why do you say that you are normally anti killing any one. I replied,
I found my line.

That guy is too far gone, bullet through the brain, and job done.

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?

Leapinglizardto · August 4, 2008

Yea, that's one of two other things that baffle me about this.
* The report stated - After it all took place and the other passangers were out & the authorities were called, it still took 3 hours to take him into custody? though they were only 12 miles from their final destination? WTF?
« Arrive at the scene, 'click' lock & load -->BANG! »
* This maniac was so far gone, he stayed to continue butchering & 'eating' the body? yea they had the door sealed off, but it's a coach-liner. If he had even a single shred of sanity left, he would have left or at least tried to.

It's a coach bus, every single window is a 3' x 5' emergency exit door! Flip the little red handles, windows pop out. He didn't even think about leaving.
This crazy Mother Fucker, thought he was at Hunan Garden's all you eat buffet. Mind » FRIED - COMPLETELY PAST THE POINT OF RESCUE! Little red laser dot on the forehead, GOOD-BYE. WTF?

It's pretty pathetic when you have to TELL people you're fucking cool Skymama «narrative»This thread will lock in 3..2.. What a load of narrow-minded Xenophobic Bullshit!-squeak

Hausse · August 4, 2008

Heck, screw the door and get out either a nice 50. cal rifle or a few shotguns and that problem would solve it self.

birdlike · August 4, 2008

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30+ people on this bus and not 1 tried to stop this cunt-face from killing the guy or dismembering him after the fact?

Well, the guy was armed with a knife he was willing to use.

The only way to intervene with relative safety would be to use a... a gu... *ulp!* a GUN!

Who would want to have to use one of those vile, wretched things to save a life?!

No, better to let someone innocent die than to act as judge, jury and executioner and stoop to using the favored tool of criminals! (well, except for this particular criminal)

...Thus go the arguments of those who oppose gun ownership and concealed carry. For example, the government of Canada.