NickDG 23 #1 September 2, 2008 UA, blown main gear tire, or tires, on take off. Circling now and dumping fuel. It's on CNN . . . NickD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LisaH 0 #2 September 2, 2008 Quote UA, blown main gear tire, or tires, on take off. Circling now and dumping fuel. It's on CNN . . . NickD Watching it now on channel 9.Be yourself! MooOOooOoo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #3 September 2, 2008 It's American, not United. American Airlines 1586. If you want you can track them here: http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightTracker/flightTracker.do?id=137462111&airlineCode=AA&flightNumber=1586 They are out over Catalina Island now . . . NickD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #4 September 2, 2008 Goin pretty fast to be dumpin fuel... ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #5 September 2, 2008 Here she comes . . . NickD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LisaH 0 #6 September 2, 2008 Quote Here she comes . . . NickD Good job!! Be yourself! MooOOooOoo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #7 September 2, 2008 they don't dump fuel these days do they? I thought they had to burn it off. and hopefully open the drink cart during the process. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #8 September 2, 2008 Stay low...and don't bunch up! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #9 September 2, 2008 Down safe, carry on everyone . . . In my rare Walter Mitty moments (and if they carried rigs) I sometimes day dream about the flight attendant walking the down the aisle going "Is there a Skydiving Instructor on board?" NickD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #10 September 2, 2008 I'm sitting in a beautiful little cafe here in cabo...next to an airline pilot that just told me.... you'ld be suprised how much Jet A gets dumped over & on the million $ sailboats near LAX! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #11 September 2, 2008 Quote Down safe, carry on everyone . . . In my rare Walter Mitty moments (and if they carried rigs) I sometimes day dream about the flight attendant walking the down the aisle going "Is there a Skydiving Instructor on board?" NickD ....and seein' you chasin' her back into the aft galley sayin'...no wait, I REALLY AM a skydiving instructor! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #12 September 2, 2008 My sailboat next to San Diego airport gets coated with the Jet A residue and it's very hard to scrub off . . . NickD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #13 September 2, 2008 >>...no wait, I REALLY AM a skydiving instructor!For sure . . . LOL! NickD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mx757 4 #14 September 2, 2008 Quote Goin pretty fast to be dumpin fuel... 737 can't dump their fuel.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #15 September 3, 2008 I already tried that argument and was trumped by a drunk pilot. Best of luck in your approach. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tuna-Salad 0 #16 September 3, 2008 and hopefully open the drink cart during the process - Yes.. serving some liquor should help to lighten the load Millions of my potential children died on your daughters' face last night. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #17 September 4, 2008 Quote they don't dump fuel these days do they? I thought they had to burn it off. and hopefully open the drink cart during the process. I was commercial fishing years ago in the Gulf of the Farallons off SF CA when a 747 struck some construction vehicles on TO. The cabin was pentrated and at least one passenger killed. They flew around the offshore area for quite a while at low altitude (no pressurization possible) dumping fuel and it was thick, you could smell it and taste it in the air. They landed successfully.2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #18 September 4, 2008 Given the flight in question was a 737, how does that apply? Boeing 737 (all models), the DC-9/MD80 and Boeing 717, the A320 family and various regional jet ("RJ") aircraft do not have fuel dump systems installed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #19 September 4, 2008 It was responsive to the quoted question as to whether airliners still dumped fuel these days. 747s did ( I was doused with a fine aerosol JP 4 mist) and 747s still do. 737s and many other modern jet airliners apparently don't have dump pumps and vents. Those badly injured passengers (as I recall one had a leg severed) on that punctured 747 got medical attention much quicker than they would have if the 747 had to burn rather than dump the fuel to get down to max landing weight. I like planes that can dump fuel. I think it adds a safety measure. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #20 September 4, 2008 agreed...seems plenty of aircraft do have them. think it was a financial decision? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #21 September 4, 2008 Quoteagreed...seems plenty of aircraft do have them. And depending on where the dump outlet is located, it can make for a spectacular show. See the last 15 seconds of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IMksBeP-tY"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #22 September 4, 2008 Quote My sailboat next to San Diego airport gets coated with the Jet A residue and it's very hard to scrub off . . . NickD Nick, you're my new best friend. I'm moving to Ocean Beach at the beginning of next month and will need a sailing outlet. I know how to use a scrub brush. Does anyone race out of your marina?"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #23 September 4, 2008 DEFINITELY a financial decision. Over the life of the airframe, saving a few hundred lbs. of fuel dump gear adds up to big dollars in fuel savings, maintenance, added payload capability etc. Some sacrifices are worth it, like two engine ETOPS. Some might not be... like omitting fuel dump capability. I think that 747 incident showed that passenger safety was enhanced by the ability to land fairly quickly after a max gross takeoff.2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #24 September 4, 2008 I'm not living down there right now, but I did live aboard for a few years. And yes there's beer can racing every Wednesday afternoon. Just show up and you can usually get a slot as rail meat. And I did learn marinas are exactly like drop zones . . . NickD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #25 September 4, 2008 QuoteQuoteagreed...seems plenty of aircraft do have them. And depending on where the dump outlet is located, it can make for a spectacular show. See the last 15 seconds of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IMksBeP-tY SPECTACULAR!!! Wish the USAF had allowed their F 111s to do this at airshows. Hard to see why it would be considered too risky. Fuel dump/vent locations have to be well thought out. Early DC 6s had some puzzling in flight fires and crashes. Turned out that a fuel vent put gasoline right into the air intake for a combustion cabin heater even though it was not located directly downstream. Curving fuselage airflows diverted the avgas right into the air intake for the heater resulting in a massive uncontrollable cargo bay fire. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
