Squeak 17 #26 September 7, 2008 Quote obviously, not everybody is like that.. and some just like to trash-talk others! OH you mean like this? Quote dont worry, squeak's a grumpy old man with a bad haircut. Nah you dont do that sort of shit do yaYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #27 September 7, 2008 Quote Quote obviously, not everybody is like that.. and some just like to trash-talk others! OH you mean like this? Quote dont worry, squeak's a grumpy old man with a bad haircut. Nah you dont do that sort of shit do ya we both know, you are notorious doing that..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #28 September 7, 2008 Quote Quote Quote obviously, not everybody is like that.. and some just like to trash-talk others! OH you mean like this? Quote dont worry, squeak's a grumpy old man with a bad haircut. Nah you dont do that sort of shit do ya we both know, you are notorious doing that.. so far today you are the only one doing it. I merely pointed out my dislike of an image, and have made no reference what so ever to to anyone. now instead of trying to wage a war of wits against me, why not try working on something more constructive.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,566 #29 September 7, 2008 QuoteQuote and they have done many jumps when launches are happening, they are not THAT rare. Show one other shuttle/wingsuit jump. Ever. Please. Additionally, the staff at USA Today obviously chose the shuttle shot as their favorite, and the National Geo photographer commented specifically on the composition, how the shoreline and water form a triangle, how the shuttle frames the wingsuiters with the waterline, and how it all leads the eye to follow GreyMike. yeah, I'm biased because I'm in the shot. But I'm also a photographer/director by trade, and it's moronic to suggest the photo isn't well composed. You might not like it, that's fine. But to say it's not well-composed is just plain __________whatever. I dunno, for some reason it doesn't grab me. Ok, from what you guys have said I'm appreciating a lot more now how much effort has gone into the shot, and I'm sure it was a fantastically cool jump, and if I'd been on it I'd love to have a shot like that on my wall, and I've voted for it because there's a camera on the line that could go to a skydiver... but it still doesn't make me go 'wow'. Maybe it's because it's so small - looks like the type of pic that would benefit a lot in big, high-res format?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #30 September 7, 2008 No, it's not as artistic as some of the others. But the others are all shots that can be set up more than once, fairly easily. They're all shots that can be reproduced, and have been many times. But...this shot has never, ever been taken before, and likely won't be taken again. This shot is a skydiving shot that is now in front of the entire world. Skydivers have the opportunity to support the sport and support a skydiver, and IMO, only an asshole would deliberately support a whuffo over a skydiver when it's this sort of scenario. Voting for Scotty's picture costs none of us anything; if the image wins, it's a huge win and publicity boost for skydiving, and a fellow skydiver walks away with a great prize and a terrific story. One element of a truly great image is the time-capture, because that moment may never be re-lived. Can anyone here assure that they can get a better shot that contains all of the same elements? Of course not. I'd challenge anyone criticizing this photo to present a similar photo that captures the metaphors this image brings forth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yeyo 1 #31 September 7, 2008 Quote....only an asshole would deliberately support a whuffo over a skydiver when it's this sort of scenario. Have you been reading my mind??? Its cool if someone doesnt wanna help, but voting for his competitor? wtfHISPA #93 DS #419.5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #32 September 7, 2008 QuoteQuote....only an asshole would deliberately support a whuffo over a skydiver when it's this sort of scenario. Have you been reading my mind??? Its cool if someone doesnt wanna help, but voting for his competitor? wtf Hey Yeyo...there are guys that would rather sit in front of the 'puter staring at amateur webcam porn and fat naked ladies than skydive, too. I'm too caught up, I guess. When there is no benefit nor detriment to the voter, it seems that one would want to .....never mind. Either you get it or you don't. See you next month! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #33 September 7, 2008 whats wrong with amateur webcam porn!? “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bluerosie 0 #34 September 8, 2008 So, if a fellow skydiver has a really average looking baby, but asks us to vote for said baby as the cutest amongst non-skydiving competitors, one would be an asshole to not vote for what we don't consider the most attractive baby? Does being a fellow skydiver automatically mean you should get all skydiver's votes? Or does the character of the skydiver involved come into play? How supportive have they been of other skydivers? How supportive have they been of other skydivers when going up against nonskydivers? And if it's such a brotherhood, why is there so much mocking , derision, and condescension within the brotherhood? If there are multiple skydivers involved, do you vote for the one with the most skydives or the one most deserving of the prize? Inquiring voters want to know what the proper protocol is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #35 September 8, 2008 When the world's largest publication gives me an opportunity to vote for a skydiver baby vs a non-skydiver baby, get back to me with your question. Chances are based on general principles, I'll support a fellow skydiver before I'd support a non-skydiver. Bottom line here is, I know exactly what went into that jump and the practice jumps that occurred beforehand. I know how long the event lasted, I was present for the disappointment that the planned shot didn't occur due to a few factors. I'm bothered that any skydiver would be dim enough to suggest this was just a "go up and shoot whatever you can" sort of event. Were it so, we'd have seen a lot of these sorts of images already. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bluerosie 0 #36 September 8, 2008 QuoteWhen the world's largest publication gives me an opportunity to vote for a skydiver baby vs a non-skydiver baby, get back to me with your question. Chances are based on general principles, I'll support a fellow skydiver before I'd support a non-skydiver. Bottom line here is, I know exactly what went into that jump and the practice jumps that occurred beforehand. I know how long the event lasted, I was present for the disappointment that the planned shot didn't occur due to a few factors. I'm bothered that any skydiver would be dim enough to suggest this was just a "go up and shoot whatever you can" sort of event. Were it so, we'd have seen a lot of these sorts of images already. "World's largest publication?" What are you basing that upon? You didn't answer any of my questions. And my questions had nothing to do with impling that the shot was obtained via go up and shoot whatever you can" sort of event. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #37 September 8, 2008 Quote "World's largest publication?" What are you basing that upon? . USA Today is the world's largest publication. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bluerosie 0 #38 September 8, 2008 Can you show me a link supporting that? I searched, but didn't come up with anything. Again, tho, you don't actually answer my questions. I'm not trying to disagree with anyone, I'm simply asking for my questions to be answered so that I can more fully consider the ramifications of this very important vote. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #39 September 8, 2008 QuoteCan you show me a link supporting that? I searched, but didn't come up with anything. Again, tho, you don't actually answer my questions. I'm not trying to disagree with anyone, I'm simply asking for my questions to be answered so that I can more fully consider the ramifications of this very important vote. I'm wrong. USAToday is the largest publication in the US, and the largest world-wide English publication. With Metro print editions, USA Today is the largest global publication. It is not the world's largest singly-distributed publication, that award goes to Yomiuri Shimbun. Outside of Japan, only the German paper BILD enjoys a larger circulation than USA Today. Society of Professional Journalists apparently doesn't look at Asia as part of their statistics. Oops. Mea culpa. Next time, Scotty should go for a photo in Japanese or Chinese. He could almost double his circ reach. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yeyo 1 #40 September 8, 2008 Just my opinion... If I come here askin for help and say "Please vote for X" and someone says "X sucks, Im voting for Y, and I hope Y wins"....in my book, hes an asshole. Its not about pretty pictures, biggest publications or cute babies, its about the attitude.HISPA #93 DS #419.5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #41 September 8, 2008 QuoteJust my opinion... If I come here askin for help and say "Please vote for X" and someone says "X sucks, Im voting for Y, and I hope Y wins"....in my book, hes an asshole. Its not about pretty pictures, biggest publications or cute babies, its about the attitude. +1“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stoney3434 0 #42 September 8, 2008 A FIRM "DITTO" to Virgin Burner,... and I also "know" how hard it was to time this photo,........from the words of those involved... It would be sad to see a "once in a lifetime" photo opportunity,... that was planned for, practiced for, and then exeuted in such a successful way be selected as better than a photo that while very good ,.....can be ( and has been) replicated a thousand times over .......... I have Eagle fishing photos and Owl hunting photos and one Peruvian Condor gliding photo that are all better than the eagle shot I see competing with Scotty's picture,... I also have (and have seen) many hiking and climbing photos that capture the sun and the majesty of the Natural world well,...but I KNOW I will never have another photo of a space shuttle taking off framed by 3 of my friends and that I can look at and actually "imagine" myself being where Scooty was when he took the shot. Do whatever feels best for youselves as far as voting for whatever photo you think is best...but please don't degrade the accomplishment that Scotty's photo represents .... He did what every skydiver does on eah jump,...he planned his jump and then exeuted it. Also, as with Virgin Burner,..for myself,....knowing the unspoken bond I believe I share with 98% of every other man and woman who intentionally throws themselves out the door of an aircraft for the sheer love of it,...and with no compelling "alternative" reason to do otherwise, I will ALWAYS support one of those men or women if I can. From such a perspetive, I have voted each day for Sotty's photo and I encourage each of you who also feel such a bond to do the same. Thanks, StoneyLife is what happens while we are making other plans. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,114 #43 September 8, 2008 Quote Quote dont worry, squeak's a grumpy old man with a bad haircut. i wonder why he doesnt fly wingsuits.. *hint-hint* I'd venture to say I have quite a few more wingsuit flights than you do. I didnt vote for it because it's not a very good photo, that said I think the only pic that is worse is the Eagle and that's winning I notice you didn't deny being grumpy with a bad haircut.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #44 September 8, 2008 Quote Quote Quote dont worry, squeak's a grumpy old man with a bad haircut. i wonder why he doesnt fly wingsuits.. *hint-hint* I'd venture to say I have quite a few more wingsuit flights than you do. I didnt vote for it because it's not a very good photo, that said I think the only pic that is worse is the Eagle and that's winning I notice you didn't deny being grumpy with a bad haircut. I love being grumpy, why deny it, and Bad hair cuts, are aesthetics, which are subjective at best.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #45 September 8, 2008 Quote Quote Quote dont worry, squeak's a grumpy old man with a bad haircut. i wonder why he doesnt fly wingsuits.. *hint-hint* I'd venture to say I have quite a few more wingsuit flights than you do. I didnt vote for it because it's not a very good photo, that said I think the only pic that is worse is the Eagle and that's winning I notice you didn't deny being grumpy with a bad haircut. we're currently in the lead by 3%!! woohoo!!!“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yeyo 1 #46 September 8, 2008 haha... I just noticed Squeak's occupation on his profile... Just like the saying "In the house of a gardener, the grass is always high"... And a profile pic of a RAT....NOOOOW I get it! HISPA #93 DS #419.5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #47 September 8, 2008 Quote haha... NOOOOW I get it! No ya dontbut thanks for taking the time to check out my profile,I'd do the same for you, but I dont care enoughYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #48 September 8, 2008 Quote A FIRM "DITTO" to Virgin Burner,... and I also "know" how hard it was to time this photo,........from the words of those involved... It would be sad to see a "once in a lifetime" photo opportunity,... that was planned for, practiced for, and then exeuted in such a successful way be selected as better than a photo that while very good ,.....can be ( and has been) replicated a thousand times over .......... I have Eagle fishing photos and Owl hunting photos and one Peruvian Condor gliding photo that are all better than the eagle shot I see competing with Scotty's picture,... I also have (and have seen) many hiking and climbing photos that capture the sun and the majesty of the Natural world well,...but I KNOW I will never have another photo of a space shuttle taking off framed by 3 of my friends and that I can look at and actually "imagine" myself being where Scooty was when he took the shot. Do whatever feels best for youselves as far as voting for whatever photo you think is best...but please don't degrade the accomplishment that Scotty's photo represents .... He did what every skydiver does on eah jump,...he planned his jump and then exeuted it. Also, as with Virgin Burner,..for myself,....knowing the unspoken bond I believe I share with 98% of every other man and woman who intentionally throws themselves out the door of an aircraft for the sheer love of it,...and with no compelling "alternative" reason to do otherwise, I will ALWAYS support one of those men or women if I can. From such a perspetive, I have voted each day for Sotty's photo and I encourage each of you who also feel such a bond to do the same. Thanks, Stoney Nice post, Stoney. Dno't forget, you can vote again. You might need to clear the cookies from your browser, but you can vote once a day until the 16th of Sept. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #49 September 8, 2008 Ugh - the eagle just pulled ahead again. C'mon skydivers! Let's actually support one another instead of bickering (I know that's novel on dizzy.com, but work with me on this one...)Skwrl Productions - Wingsuit Photography Northeast Bird School - Chief Logistics Guy and Video Dork Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjumpsteve 0 #50 September 8, 2008 FUCK the eagle!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
