DeNReN 0 #1 December 4, 2005 My little buddy KindredSpirit bought a used Talon...kinda large for him but looked OK during the try on period ...tonight we hung him from the rafters(he's helping me with house reno's) to see how the rig is gona be under canopy(no reserve in tray)...it looks a hell of alot looser then we all(rigger's included) figured it would be(see pic's) ...he has the leg straps maxed...wondering what oppions others have on him jumping this container. Included are a couple pic's of me(I'm a tad bigger than he and the rig seems to fit me well untill I hung from the rafters as he did) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KindredSpirit 0 #2 December 4, 2005 It's not custom built for me so I know the fit can't be perfect. I'm still going to jump it. Fits better than the student rigs anyway. Opinions from others would be helpful though, "Kicking gravity's ass since 2003!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #3 December 4, 2005 It doesn't look that bad to me. It's not so loose your head would fit under one of the reserve risers so you could sneak out of the rig that way, and the chest strap doesn't look like it's a choker, and the handles seem to be in about the right place. How loose are the leg straps when they are cinched all the way down? The hip rings look like they're in the right place; are they? -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #4 December 4, 2005 As long as you can reach the toggles, I don't see where it's all that bad. It will also fill out a little when you get a reserve in the pack tray.Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #5 December 4, 2005 QuoteIt's not custom built for me so I know the fit can't be perfect. I'm still going to jump it. Fits better than the student rigs anyway. Opinions from others would be helpful though, *** It will come in some with a reserve in it, but DAMN! I'd triple check the chest strap on every jump... ...and it's going to be loose on you and moving around in free fall. Make sure you can get the handle. Check into getting the harness re sized for you, it looks like nice gear that you'll have for a while....why not make it fit right!? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imdskydiver 0 #6 December 4, 2005 Sell it and buy mine . It will fit you a lot better . Come done to the DZ and try it out or give me a call and you can try it on before making any decissions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dbattman 0 #7 December 4, 2005 Have your buddy get measured for a rig. That way you have some idea of what the harness needs to be before doing anything. I don't know what's involved in resizing a harness, but it miught be easier and cheaper to sell it and buy one that fits. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmetz 0 #8 December 4, 2005 Riggers/Anyone, How much of a gap should there be between top of shoulders and reserve risers when under canopy? Or, how much is too much?_________________________________________ "If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #9 December 4, 2005 QuoteRiggers/Anyone, How much of a gap should there be between top of shoulders and reserve risers when under canopy? Or, how much is too much? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A 3 or 4 finger wide gap is normal between your shoulders and your shoulder pads. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,483 #10 December 4, 2005 Hang it up again and try this... http://www.makeithappen.com/spsj/fallout.html Then you'll know.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrianM 1 #11 December 4, 2005 Hi Dennis, Peter... For the rest of the readers: you can't really see this in the photos, but the laterals are too long, not just the main lift webs. According to the manufacturer, the MLWs are too long by 1 inch, the laterals are too long by 2 inches. The rig floats around a fair bit on his back if I grab on to it and push and pull it around, even with a reserve in it. Options: 1. Jump it as is. Probably doable but not ideal. My biggest concern would be the "hole" at the back (see BIGUN's link). 2. Have it modified. Whether this is worth doing depends on the cost vs the value of the rig. I know you're already looking into this. 3. Sell it and use the money to buy something else. 4. Steal Dennis' rig. It's been mentioned that it will fit a bit better with the reserve in it, but remember that if you ever need to use the reserve, the reserve will no longer be in it, of course. You can't count on having the reserve in there. I'd like to take a closer look at how the harness fits you, especially now that the reserve is out - I don't think I saw you in it without the reserve. P.S. How much are you loading that ceiling? "It's amazing what you can learn while you're not talking." - Skydivesg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crazydiver 0 #12 December 4, 2005 Look at the location of the hip rings. It could be that his leg straps aren't tight enough and that could at least help the problem if he tightened them up. The hip rigs are up past his hips it looks like, but I could be wrong. Its a photo. ANd you're probably right about the laterals, you just cant see tehm from the photo Cheers, Travis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #13 December 5, 2005 Between three and six inches is normal (depending on body composition). Even on my custom fitted rigs, the three ring is at eye level when under canopy.Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeNReN 0 #14 December 5, 2005 Here are a couple more pic's showing the hip ring location a little better and another angle on the MLW.. I dont think(newb opinion)that only shortening the MLW by 1 inch would be sufficient and there dosent appear to be enough room left to shorten the laterals by 2 inches(again..newb opinion)... I would think(yet again...newb opinion) that the MLW should be shortened by 3 to 4 inches...some lateral adjustment would be nice...but it dosent look like there is much more then a inch to remove...and of course smaller leg straps would be very nice...for that matter a smaller yoke would be idea...... The W/L on the ceiling is approx.01 to 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #15 December 5, 2005 The W/L on the ceiling is approx.01 to 1 *** Don't tell me that's a BLACK pull up tied around the handle...BLACK?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? sniff sniff.....smell that? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #16 December 5, 2005 I just posted this picture of me under canopy in another thread, I have some space, but not as much as your buddy. BTW, my rig was custom made for me.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MB38 0 #17 December 5, 2005 Here is a picture of me under canopy. It's tough to see the clearance, but it's nearly as much as the picture at the beginning of the thread with my chest strap loosened [which it isn't here].I really don't know what I'm talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #18 December 5, 2005 Here are some pictures of rigs that fit well. Sparky (Pictures by Lori Thomas aka ltdiver)My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpwally 0 #19 December 5, 2005 Never mind the rig,,,that house wiring looks frightning,,,smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KindredSpirit 0 #20 December 5, 2005 QuoteNever mind the rig,,,that house wiring looks frightning,,, Jumpwally.....you have NO idea of the scary shit we uncovered there. Thats a whole other thread! "Kicking gravity's ass since 2003!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeNReN 0 #21 December 5, 2005 Thanks everyone Sorta mixed responces on if it looks ok to jump....it deff does not fit well and having it modified is not cheap....it looks like the leg pads can be adjusted without touching the structure of the rig to allow for a bit more leg strap adjustment(advisable?) On another note its educational to see how other peoples rigs fit....mine fits quite well with the mlw only lifting off by about 2 inches(less if I really tighten the legs) Pic attached(that goofy expression is "ooooh...I'm gona hit the target" QuoteNever mind the rig,,,that house wiring looks frightning,,, Not to hijack the thread...but.....you aint seen nothing skippy....here's a couple of wiring pic's...bonfire thread will follow once reno's are done. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #22 December 5, 2005 Nice "Hat" there Sparky! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeNReN 0 #23 December 5, 2005 Well a certain someone removed some stiching where the leg pads were stiched to the leg straps ......so they could be tightened farther.... results look good...got about 3 more inches of tightening on the legs... rig will be rigger inspected again. And whats wrong with black pull-up's???(no it wont be attached to the reserve handle for jumping ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeNReN 0 #24 December 5, 2005 had a hard time getting that far... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkycndo 0 #25 December 5, 2005 I jump a Talon as well. From the look at the photos after the pad mods, the gap at the shoulders looks just like mine. I have not had any problems with the rig moving around during freefall or under canopy. Even though it is an older model, it is a comfortable rig.50 donations so far. Give it a try. You know you want to spank it Jump an Infinity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
