Twoply 0 #1 October 28, 2008 I haven't used a stick welder in a while and I've welding some shoring posts to some beams. The posts have a 1/4" plate on top and the beams are 1/2" thick. I think we got the Miller onsite and I dont remember what I used to have the settings at. Soemthing like 140-175 with a 6013 rod? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yardhippie 0 #2 October 28, 2008 That sounds about right, but each welder has its own personality. I used to work for a rental company and we had LOTS of welders. I would only weld with #4. One of the first. Even when it had like 1800 hours on it... What size rod are you using? That will affect it as well. Im assuming you're talking about 1/8" rods. God that mad my head hurt. its been a long time since I've donned my welding leathers.Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD "What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me "Anything you want." ~ female skydiver Mohoso Rodriguez #865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flr169 0 #3 October 28, 2008 twoply.... why aren't u using 7018 ( 1/8 ) rod get a scrap piece of metal similiar to what u are welding to help set up your heat.... good luckLife's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting - "fcuk me what a ride!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yardhippie 0 #4 October 28, 2008 A 6013 is a lesser PSI rod, but has less care needed. 7018s can be a pain if they're not stored properly. Unless you're welding gas pipe or other sever structure joints... a 7018 is a little overkill? Im not a welder, just a guy thats done a lot of it. Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD "What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me "Anything you want." ~ female skydiver Mohoso Rodriguez #865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twoply 0 #5 October 28, 2008 I couldnt remember what rod I needed so I just asked. I thought it was 6010 or 7011 or something like that, so I just said a good general purpose rod would work. With a 6013, do I bury the tip in the pool or hold it just above? Can you teel I'm a mig guy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flr169 0 #6 October 28, 2008 6011.....7011.....6013...... I would never use as a stand alone rod..... they are more a rod for running root passes and then fill and cap with a 7018...rod... ya they will stick your 2 pieces of metal together I dont know how and what your guys use in the US for welding but I've been a welder for 20 plus yrs... I use 7018 for everything, especially for what twoply is planning on doing... I haven't used 6011...7011....for ages....and I can't remember the last time I used 6013.... Anyways good luck with your job....Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting - "fcuk me what a ride!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jasonRose 0 #7 October 28, 2008 Assuming you are welding in the flat position with 1/8" 6013. DC+ between 110-140 amps should do the trick. When using 6013 make sure you metal is clean i.e. grind it to bare metal. When you are dragging the rod try to keep on the leading side of the puddle at the desired puddle width. Since it sounds like a fillet weld concentrate the heat on the thicker metal. If you have dirty metal and don't want to clean it use 6011 or 6010 depending if you have a DC machine. Someone said you should use 7018 and they are right! If using 7018 just throw he rod in your oven for 20 min or so while you are prepping weld joint. Pre heat your half inch just a little before you start laying rod.. Some day I will have the best staff in the world!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twoply 0 #8 October 28, 2008 We're temporarily shoring up a series of beams to make a separation cut between two buildings. It'll be standing for about a week, then the excavators will take is down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flr169 0 #9 October 28, 2008 If you are worried about the 7018 rod being damp.. just stick the rod to the metal and let it heat up a bit.. then pop it off..... or go throw it into your oven in the house a few hours at roughly 250 -300 degree's works wonders.....and yes...u aren't welding high pressure pipe so don't be to worried about the rod...unless its been sitting out in the rain for ever... hope this helpsLife's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting - "fcuk me what a ride!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flr169 0 #10 October 28, 2008 use the 7018 and run it on the hot side... u can also run a few passes overlapping them its never a bad idea to put extra weld.. even if it just for shoring something up... its going be there a w eek so u just never know whats going to happen... I really don't have that much experience w ith the 6011 or 6010 rods... its been a long time since I welded high pressure pipe where I've been working the last 20 or so years its 7018 and MIG ( hard wire ) and ( core wire )Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting - "fcuk me what a ride!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jasonRose 0 #11 October 28, 2008 6010, 6011 are esentialy the same rod and are commonly used for the root passes, dirty metal, high penatration, out of postion welding and by farmers wanting to stick shit together. If you are holding something up and trying to stick to pieces of metal ogether in a hurry than 6010,6011 is the rod of choice. If the joint is something that needs to e of good quality I would tack together with 6010 and then run 7018. 7018 is a little more ductile and can take the stess of vibration and jarring with out cracking the weld. I disagree that laying in more passes is better. Your heat effected zone is huge when doing that and reduces the base metal strength. If you were refering to a root and a cover pass then never mind, you're spot on.. Some day I will have the best staff in the world!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flr169 0 #12 October 28, 2008 yes I agree with you on most.... the amount of passes all depends on what you are doing and types of materal.... I haven't welded on construction for at least 15 yrs or more...there we used the 6010 and 6011 alot more....then 7018... yes like u said with the shitty material being rusty and so on.... I work for a mass transit company so everything that is welded is sand blasted nice and clean.... more mig welding going on than stick.... since I'm a machinist also...I only have to weld when I don't hold enough senority to stay in the machine shop...then to dirty ville and the joys of welding...Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting - "fcuk me what a ride!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #13 October 28, 2008 All of the 6000 series rod penetrate through nasty stuff but they require the skill of oscillating the rod in a zig-zag pattern and holding the rod at the proper height to maintain the arc. 6010 is for DC only. 6011 and 6013 are more general purpose. All of the 6000 series splatter like a mofo, you can spray pam ( cooking spray) so the globules don't stick. The 7000 series rod don't penetrate as well as the 6000 series and they don't work as well overhead as the 6000. They tend to take more power( heat). 7014 is the general purpose that works really well. 7018 requires a little more skill and post weld care of the bead until it cools. All of the 7000 series rod are sensitive to moisture trapped in the flux coating than the 6000 series but an oven will dry it out nice. You typically don't oscillate with the 7000 series you just lay down a steady straight bead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hcsvader 1 #14 October 28, 2008 This thread just made my day!Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
