Vector 3 Vs Javelin

[do6151 0]

Out of the two which do the people of dropzone.com prefer. I understand people are going to say what they have is the best, but im asking for an unbiased opinion. The main reason im looking at the vector is because of the skyhook and the main closing flap. I understand that the odessy is freefly frendly but what do you guys think. I need to make my decision this week. so thanks in advance for the quick responce.

[Hooknswoop 19]

The Skyhook sets the Vector III apart from any other rig. Everything else is preference and marketing.

Derek

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The Skyhook sets the Vector III apart from any other rig. Everything else is preference and marketing.

Derek

You can only get the skyhook on the vector lll?

[Hooknswoop 19]

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You can only get the skyhook on the vector lll?

You can only get it on RWS's newest containers.

Derek

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You can only get the skyhook on the vector lll?

You can only get it on RWS's newest containers.

Derek

Not trying to be a smart ass..LOL.. but..
Whats RWS's ?
Im new.. and in the market as well..
not to hijack this guys thread.. but what should I do?

[Hooknswoop 19]

LOL, no worries, The Relative Workshop. They make the Vector III, Micron, Sigma Tandem Systgem, etc.

You'll hear people say how comfortable their rig is, remember comfort is subjective, hence the sleep number system. Also, if you try on a rig, if it has small canopies in it, it is going to be comfortable, try on a rig that has similarly sized canopies you are going to have in yours.

You are looking for main and reserve pin protection. Main bridle protection. Secure riser covers. Basically any new generation container meets these minumums. Of course, the Skyhook is very nice, but only available on RWS's containers. Everything else is preference and marketing.

Derek

[wmw999 2,587]

RWS is the (uninsured) Relative Workshop (website). Bill Booth, the owner of the Relative Workshop (and the inventor of the Skyhook, the 3-Ring circus, and the hand-deploy pilot chute), only puts it onto his most recent rigs. He also posts here -- if you see his name, pay attention.

It's not TSO'd (certified) for other manufacturers' rigs; that might happen, but the process is significantly difficult.

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[Mostly_Harmless 0]

I was just recently (as in yesterday

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If I was you, I would look at the Skyhook... If you want it, the decision is made. You have to go with a Vector.

If you don't want the skyhook, then you have a bunch of options... After jumping each, I would personally own a Vector, Infinity, Mirage or Javelin.... If it is not on the list, I would not personally own it, but that is me, and I like Fords over Chevy too.

If delivery time and price was the same, I still would go with the Vector... Bill Booth (Manufacture of the Vector) is not god, but when god skydives he uses the technology Bill invented... I trust RWS a lot...

Again, that is me...

[pilotdave 0]

Just my opinion...

Choose based on what your focus is. If you're into looks and comfort, go with a Javelin. If you're into safety, go with a Vector. That's not to say a Vector isn't comfortable or a Javelin isn't safe... I just believe each company focuses on certain factors. Javelin has clearly gone for high comfort. RWS doesn't make a whole lot of changes to their rigs to compete with the latest and greatest comfort features found on other rigs. But you can rest assured that everything on a Vector has been extremely well thought out and studied.

My Vector is definitely not uncomfortable... especially after breaking in. But my custom Vector 3 is probably less comfortable than a stock Javelin I demoed. Course I didn't go with a deluxe backpad on my Vector so it's hard to compare the two.

If I was doing 20 jumps a day, I might care more about comfort. But I just don't spend enough time in my rig to care all that much about how it feels, as long as it's not UNcomfortable. My vector is comfortable, but not as comfortable as I'm sure a lot of other rigs would be.

Make up your own mind after looking carefully at the two rigs. When I was shopping, I found that all rigs were pretty much equivalent except the vector. But be careful about just listening to opinions that other people have (including me). Nobody has an unbiased opinion, whether they know it or not.

Dave

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I had a Javelin and I now own a Vector 3 Micron (enough said)

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[tso-d_chris 0]

For comfort, most prefer the Javelin (of the two). Reserve pin protection goes to the Vector, though both are secure. Main pin protection is split- The Vectors main pin flap is probably less likely to come open, but when closed, the Javelins probably offers better protection. The Vector has a better RSL with the Skyhook, but the difference is probably not the huge margin RWS' marketing department would have you believe. Standard RSL results in reserve open in 300' or less from point of cutaway(by the standards of the TSO), while the Skyhook requires an estimated 150'-200' to open a reserve (w/ slider) from cutaway altitude. Do not wait until 300 feet to cutaway!!! Your actual deployment times may vary.

All in all, both are excellent rigs, and you will be very happy with either one.

[PhreeZone 20]

Skyhook's have you open in far less then 200 feet. From a Cutaway to full flight its closer to 75 feet. ~5 feet for extraction of the freebag, another 15 feet for line strech then only 50-60 feet to inflate. Vs a normal RSL you are at line strech already where as before your freebag is just lifting off your back. You are an inflated canopy vs where your canopy just starting to open with a normal RSL. Huge difference when you see both at the same time.

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[tso-d_chris 0]

The hundred foot cutaway/Skyhook deployments were sans sliders.

[PhreeZone 20]

Not the ones at WFFC 04 that I watched.

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[tso-d_chris 0]

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Not the ones at WFFC 04 that I watched.

Cutaway from 100' on a slider up reserve canopy? I hadn't heard about that.

The ones done in Florida from 100' barely had enough altitude without the slider. Of course, YMMV.

Don't get me wrong, the Skyhook is a nice improvement over the standard RSL. However, I wouldn't recommend or not recommend a rig based on the Skyhook.

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[pilotdave 0]

Faster openings aren't the only improvement the skyhook has over a standard RSL. I agree that the difference in altitude loss between a standard RSL and a Skyhook probably don't make all that big a difference. It's the other benefits, like the collins lanyard and stable reserve deployments from pretty much any malfunction that, in my opinion, make the skyhook a deciding factor in choosing rigs. But even without a skyhook I'd still go with a Vector over a Javelin...

Dave

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Faster openings aren't the only improvement the skyhook has over a standard RSL. I agree that the difference in altitude loss between a standard RSL and a Skyhook probably don't make all that big a difference. It's the other benefits, like the collins lanyard and stable reserve deployments from pretty much any malfunction that, in my opinion, make the skyhook a deciding factor in choosing rigs. But even without a skyhook I'd still go with a Vector over a Javelin...

Dave

I agree that the Skyhook is an improvement in RSL design. I wouldn't choose a rig, or recommend a rig, based on the RSL. That is not to say that the Vector3 is not otherwise a fine rig. I just feel that other rigs on the market are equally well featured, RSL not withstanding.

I wish someone made the perfect container, but so far, no luck. Until that happens, I recommend to my customers equipment that is best suited for them, taking many factors into consideration. RWS does not make the only high quality rig on the market. Different rigs suit different needs.

[Salsa_John 0]

I bought a Vector III because of the skyhook, the bridle covering at the base of the container, the chest strap, the main closing flap, and a few other things. I looked at a few other rigs and liked how RWS built their rigs. Since I received my rig I have gotten superior customer service regarding a repair (I caused damage) and lengthening the overlap of the legstraps

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