christelsabine 1 #26 November 23, 2008 OK. Just do compare (as per Wiki) Texas - 695.000 km2, 23.5 million habitants Germany - 357.000 km2, 82.3 million habitants Decide where to have the better chance for a drunken driver to kill an innocent walker. There is still a better chance to hit the coyote in the wide open of Texas. We do not have any "wide open". dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #27 November 23, 2008 QuoteBut...would banning happy hour really change anything? If people want to drink they will drink. x3 ..... been at the gin? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladydyver 0 #28 November 23, 2008 Quote Quote But...would banning happy hour really change anything? If people want to drink they will drink. x3 ..... been at the gin? DPH # 2 "I am not sure what you are suppose to do with that, but I don't think it is suppose to flop around like that." ~Skootz~ I have a strong regard for the rules.......doc! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #29 November 23, 2008 I couldn't agree more .... and Taxing the rest of us (the jolly nice folk) isn't going to help. For the underage morons - lay the problem squarely back at their parents door - 100% no excuses. For the rest, zero tolerance - put the cops on the street (and not working on the simple "targets" -like persecuting motorists) during "Moron Time" and lets have some good old fashioned politically incorrect hard policing. If heads are going to be bashed - let them be Chav heads. Let the rest of us reclaim the town centres for good wholesome nights out and jolly japes. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #30 November 23, 2008 QuoteIf it would save just one life, wouldn't it be worth it? You can't expect ordinary citizens to be able to act responsibly and take care of themselves. Heck, I propose they go even further. There should be government-issue alcohol ration cards, limiting a person to no more than three drinks per day. The card could have a calender printed on it, and the bartenders would punch a hole in the date every time the holder orders a drink. Once there are three punches in the current date, the person gets no more drinks. Sorry, you'll have to come back tomorrow. Furthermore, police could check these cards during routine stops to find out who is drinking every day, so they know who to keep an eye on for potential trouble. Yeah, there's a lot of societal good that could come from government control of alcohol drinking. I'll all for it! I love your tongue in cheek style an good sarcasam is never wasted. Without going into too much of the politics of social drinking in the UK, it stinks. When governments thought that they could control the nations drinking habits by over taxation and limiting the opening hours of bars an pubs the government set it's own trap. True they have tried to undo the problem of the "give me three pints" when the last orders bell rings. by making the hours more flexible, but it was to little to late. Old habits die hard. The British government should take a look at mainland Europe an see that their system works, most of the time. Oh an by the way John I own a bar but not in England. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #31 November 23, 2008 Tony, Why do the British drink so much and why do they get so aggressive when they drink. I have youngsters here that some times drink a little to much, but they dont get aggressive just silly. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #32 November 23, 2008 I don't know mate. But something needs to be done about it ASAP (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #33 November 23, 2008 QuoteThe fuck-wit out of control drunken morons are really the root cause. We need a seed change in their behaviour to curtail their antisocial activities. Let the idiots rot their livers but ruining everyone elses night out is not acceptable. It's too much trouble to try to change the social culture of binge drinking. It's far easier and more effective to control the alcohol. After all, if alcohol is regulated, then the morons won't be able to get drunk. More alcohol = more drunks, and more alcohol regulation = fewer drunks. That's just plain common sense. When you can't control the people, then you have to control the objects which people misuse - in this case; alcohol. And if you can't regulate the drunks, then you have to regulate the bars and bartenders which dispense the alcohol. If many of them get shut down for violating the law, all the better. And if the responsible people have to pay a little more for their fun, or get to drink less, because of this, then it's just a small price to pay for the overall betterment of society. Let's do it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #34 November 23, 2008 QuoteIf parents, schools, education do fail: Government has to take over more control. Government does scare you, somehow? I think that's what Hitler, Stalin, Marx and Pol Pot said. And I don't recall any discussion from history of those great leaders having a widespread problem with drunken trouble-makers. So I'm all for it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #35 November 23, 2008 I know that you're playing John... but some wont.. So I'll use the prohibition word - and history tells us that it does not work. In fact it causes the rise of criminal classes, the shock waves of which are still causing trouble for you folks. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #36 November 23, 2008 Quote Quote "Britain is considering a ban on "happy hour" discounts at bars and restaurants to curb drinking, First guns, now this. I ain't never moving to England. Why would you, you already live in it's mirrorYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_d_sucks 0 #37 November 23, 2008 "Happy Hour" is not legal in the state of Indiana. Apparently law makers believe that placing a time restriction for cheaper drinks causes people to consume their beverages dangerously fast. The "Happy Hour" deal must last all day in order to be legal. It becomes more of a "daily special." I don't know if that makes people drink any less, now there's more time to drink! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 898 #38 November 24, 2008 Can't be drunk all day if you don't start early... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #39 November 24, 2008 Quote First guns, now this. I ain't never moving to England. Why would you, you already live in it's mirrorYou forget. We're the rebellious child. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #40 November 24, 2008 Quote Quote First guns, now this. I ain't never moving to England. Why would you, you already live in it's mirror You forget. We're the rebellious child.Yeah well we didnt rebel but we got sunshine and warm weatherYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #41 November 24, 2008 QuoteSo I'll use the prohibition word - and history tells us that it does not work. In fact it causes the rise of criminal classes, the shock waves of which are still causing trouble for you folks. So trying to ban objects or substances is futile, and only makes problems worse by driving it underground where it becomes a profitable and violent black market product. Hmmm, who would have thought that would ever happen? So maybe instead of trying to ban objects and substances, then the government should instead concentrate on changing the culture that leads to abuses of these things. That would seem to be the long term solution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #42 November 24, 2008 Less alcohol sold = more Sterno soldMy reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #43 November 24, 2008 QuoteLess alcohol sold = more Sterno sold Huh? Do people make alcohol from sterno? Doesn't sound very tasty to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites