Hiper USA Nitro?

[YISkyDive 0]

Hey guys-

I'm curious where the HiperUSA Nitro fits into canopies.

Is this an "eliptical" or an eliptical.. does it have the ability for snappy harness input or is it more toned down. Just curious, because my mom flies it 1.3 for the last 300 jumps, but I have no idea at all what this thing actually is, haha.

From what i have searched and read on line.. it goes something like..

Spector Safire2, Sabre2, Nitro/Nitron, Stilleto/Diablo, Crossfire2/Katana - crossed brace boys.


I could be wrong, thats why i am asking. thanks guys.

dave.

[justinb138 0]

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Hey guys-

I'm curious where the HiperUSA Nitro fits into canopies.

Is this an "eliptical" or an eliptical.. does it have the ability for snappy harness input or is it more toned down. Just curious, because my mom flies it 1.3 for the last 300 jumps, but I have no idea at all what this thing actually is, haha.

From what i have searched and read on line.. it goes something like..

Spector Safire2, Sabre2, Nitro/Nitron, Stilleto/Diablo, Crossfire2/Katana - crossed brace boys.


I could be wrong, thats why i am asking. thanks guys.

dave.

Stilleto-class (elliptical), but with a longer recovery arc.

I've heard rumors of a intermediate canopy in the works from them, but haven't seen anything out yet.

Edit: The Nitron is a copy of the Nitro, with a few slight modifications by Precision.

[SkymonkeyONE 4]

The Nitro opens and flies Cobalt/Crossfire. That is a good thing. The ones I test jumped were very well mannered and flew nice. I got longer swoops out of the modded-Cobalts I was jumping at the time, but if you wanted a longer swooping HiPer canopy then you would get the Blade.

Chuck

[thegreekone 0]

Wasn't there a review of this canopy in AUG issue of Skydiving? (don't quote me on the EXACT issue, but I know it is there somewhere late summer)

[nicknitro71 0]

One odd thing about both the Nitro and the Blade is the very short lineset and the low aspect ratio (2.58).

Memento Audere Semper

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[beezyshaw 0]

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Spector Safire2, Sabre2, Nitro/Nitron, Stilleto/Diablo, Crossfire2/Katana - crossed brace boys.

That's pretty accurate, but I'd take exception to your placement of Diablo in that flow. I'm not sure where exactly I'd rate that canopy, but being a seven cell, I'd probably place the Diablo more in the class of Spectre, also a tapered seven cell.

[beezyshaw 0]

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Stilleto-class (elliptical), but with a longer recovery arc.

I've heard rumors of a intermediate canopy in the works from them, but haven't seen anything out yet.

Edit: The Nitron is a copy of the Nitro, with a few slight modifications by Precision.

Actually, the Nitro is a bit less "twitchy" than the Stilleto, is not quite as tapered in its planform, and has certainly more well behaved and predictable openings. As for the intermediate canopy, yes it's in development, but "be patient, grasshopper".
As to the "modifications" to the Nitro from Precision in building the Nitron, that consisted of leaving out the spanwise reinforcement tapes that are present in the Nitro, and Precision uses the "slippery" zp whereas we use the packing-friendly Gelvenor fabric; the patterns for surfaces and ribs are the same.

[beezyshaw 0]

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...if you wanted a longer swooping HiPer canopy then you would get the Blade.

That's a big 10-4 on what he said.

[beezyshaw 0]

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Wasn't there a review of this canopy in AUG issue of Skydiving? (don't quote me on the EXACT issue, but I know it is there somewhere late summer)

The review in the Aug. '05 Skydiving was on the Blade, not the Nitro.

[beezyshaw 0]

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One odd thing about both the Nitro and the Blade is the very short lineset and the low aspect ratio (2.58).

Actually the Blade has a much shorter lineset than the Nitro, and the aspect ratio of the canopies strikes a great balance between performance and good manners.

[YISkyDive 0]

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That's pretty accurate, but I'd take exception to your placement of Diablo in that flow. I'm not sure where exactly I'd rate that canopy, but being a seven cell, I'd probably place the Diablo more in the class of Spectre, also a tapered seven cell.

Cool- the one thing with the Diablo is that it is no where near the lower end of performance canopies.. triathlon.. specter so on. The Diablo is a redicously fast turning parachute, and, personally, a very high performance machine. My diablo170 kills the sabre2 170 I was jumping before hand.. in terms of performance.. but it looses some points in the flare department. The Diablo has the problems of 7 cells, but I wouldn’t rate it in the 7 cell class, because it has a ton of performance. Just an opinion

[Spatula 0]

As for the intermediate canopy, yes it's in development, but "be patient, grasshopper".



When could we expect some info, release??????

[Joellercoaster 6]

This is an entirely hypothetical question - I suspect I'll be a Pilot pilot for years (and downsizes, assuming I downsize) to come - but what really does live in this "intermediate elliptical" class I hear about? Does it really exist? Or is it just a matter of going straight from quick-but-predictable Sabre2-class to scary-twitchy Stilletto-class, and then don't-even-think-about-it crossbraced on the other side?

There seems to be some opinion that there's something there - Vision and Nitro(n) maybe - but is that really accurate? The manufacturers certainly market them as full-on performance canopies. Who is right? And if it's a real class of canopies, what's in it?

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[beezyshaw 0]

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...Or is it just a matter of going straight from quick-but-predictable Sabre2-class to scary-twitchy Stilletto-class

No, there really is an in-between, and the Nitro is exactly that. The Nitro offers noticable performance advantages over a Sabre2/Pilot (class) of canopy, but much more user-friendly than the twitchy Stilleto (class) of canopy.

[riggerrob 643]

I suspect that you are confusing performance with handling.
Diablo handles (turns and opens) like a Stiletto but performs (glides and flares) like a seven-cell.

[DJL 235]

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The manufacturers certainly market them as full-on performance canopies.

I disagree, just listen to them more closely. Any rep will be very specific about where a canopy stands. For example here's Beezy on this thread talking about his canopy. When I was demoing a Nitro 150 I got specific information from him about this canopy and was also lucky enough to be travelling with Isaiah from PD who gave the same specifics about their canopies. Brian Germaine is on here constantly describing the same for his canopies.

As for the Nitro, I think it's a great intermediate canopy. I got a deal on a Nitron 135 and doubt I'll change out for a few hundred jumps. It's an extremely solid airfoil and has enough performance for me to really learn canopy piloting.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[Kris 0]

Dammit, Beezy! The Nitro was one of the most fun canopies that I've demoed. Curses on you for not making it in a 170!

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[billvon 3,116]

>There seems to be some opinion that there's something there -
>Vision and Nitro(n) maybe - but is that really accurate?

Sort of. A Nitro is (IMO) a better performer than the Stiletto when it comes to swooping (due to its long recovery arc) but doesn't have a lot of the bad habits of the Stiletto. As an example, this weekend I opened under a Nitro 108 and had a brake fire. A stiletto loaded at 1.95 to 1 would have likely spun up; the Nitro just started to turn until I released the other one.

I think it can be a mistake to think of canopies as a linear progression. For example, the Diablo is a fast turning, high performance canopy, but it doesn't glide as well and is unstable in brakes (i.e. when flying along with brakes stowed) at higher loadings. Does that make it more or less aggressive than a Nitro? I'd rather have a Nitro in most cases, but I might prefer a Diablo in turbulence since 7-cells tend to handle turbulence better.

[DJL 235]

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I'd rather have a Nitro in most cases, but I might prefer a Diablo in turbulence since 7-cells tend to handle turbulence better.

I'd like to add to this observation that I tested my Nitron 135 (1.5) many times in turbulence by flying behind tandems and a multitude of canopies and it felt nearly as stable as my Tri 160 in the same conditions. That's not to say that you could equate it to what you'd see in some serious rotors, just a point of reference.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[beezyshaw 0]

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I'd rather have a Nitro in most cases, but I might prefer a Diablo in turbulence since 7-cells tend to handle turbulence better.

Key word here is "tend" to handle it better; from my own experience, and from many, many comments made from others' observations, the Nitro has a remarkable ability to not have that typical "breathing" and "bouncing" tendency in rough air. Bill, now that you have a lot of jumps on the Nitro, would you not agree?