skydiverbry 0 #1 February 8, 2009 Well,it's time for a new vehicle.I've been thinking about a Outback or a Jeep Liberty Anyone out there own one of these or have any thoughts-------------------------------------------------- Growing old is mandatory.Growing up is optional!! D.S.#13(Dudeist Skdiver) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GaryRay 0 #2 February 8, 2009 ive had the worst problems with buying a new jeep. here is my list: bought brand new 06 jeep grand cherokee 1) rattling in the dash, took it in 4times, finally fixed, windshield wiper motor not installed properly 2) replaced window motor on right side 3 times already 3) dash board kept blanking out (all gauges go to zero and lights turn off) but car would keep running, head lights go out too. 4) would not shift out of first gear (automatic) OBD2 linked it to a failed solenoid on the transmission 5) kept getting air-bag light, took it in and the air-bags would not have deployed. thats from my jeep...my friends jeep wrangler kept having the battery drain on him, the wiring was screwed up. so that is my thoughts on a jeep, i will never buy a jeep again.JewBag. www.jewbag.wordpress.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stitch 0 #3 February 8, 2009 An Outback was what I was going to suggest when I saw the title. I don't currently own a Subaru, but have in the past. And the next vehicle I get will be a Subaru 1. Rock-Solid reliability, much like a Honda. 2. Great fuel mileage for an all-wheel drive vehicle. Around 28 mpg highway. 3.Not as hip as a Jeep (unless you're a granola). But, you're a skydiver, that should be hip enough. "No cookies for you"- GFD "I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65 Don't be a "Racer Hater" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squirrel 0 #4 February 8, 2009 I would buy a jeep again, but only used, older jeep. A new car is the absolute worst investment, it depreciates. Our 2000 Cherokee sport has 211,000 miles, still running strong. Some repairs, nothing devastating. My 1989 wrangler, 145,000 miles, still running strong...did have to put in a new gear box though. My next car will be a 1974 or older, smog exempt, easy to work on....older cars are soooo basic. Plus, I am not impressed with most newer cars' MPG. I saw one add for some SUV, advertising the highest MPG in its class, it was 16 MPG. Hell, my 20 year old jeep gets 20 mpg, and cost 1/6 the price of new. ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverbry 0 #5 February 8, 2009 I owned a 1978 CJ-7 when I was younger and loved it.But the I was younger and had to lift it,build the motor etc...Made it totally off-road and completely u/a to drive on road.Now I need a bit of both,more on then off,with realibilty being the most important thing.I never had trouble with my CJ, but that was how many years ago. Thanks for your input Bry-------------------------------------------------- Growing old is mandatory.Growing up is optional!! D.S.#13(Dudeist Skdiver) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #6 February 8, 2009 3-5 year old Subaru wagon of your choice. Some one else has eaten the worst of the depreciation (on average, 45% in the first three yeras) for you. You can haul as much as some SUVs. Rent a pickup from Home Depot for $19.95 on the few days when you need more. High-speed handling and gas-mileage are still car-like. WRX performance is good, and the other Subarus are still sporty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverbry 0 #7 February 8, 2009 I was considering pre-owned(used).What year was yours.I did have a question to their reliability that's why I'm asking.I need the most bang for my buck,if you will. How is Sub's service and parts availabilty?? Oh,I am cool enough not to need a JeepI think -------------------------------------------------- Growing old is mandatory.Growing up is optional!! D.S.#13(Dudeist Skdiver) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stitch 0 #8 February 8, 2009 The last one I owned was a 1995 Legacy Outback (the bigger version). I bought it in 2000 with 120,000 miles on it. Drove it till late 2005. Put another 80,000 on it and only had general matience issues, ie tires, oil changes, brakes, etc. And it was an automatic. 'course these days I'm driving a 2000 Tauras that I traded a canopy for. I'm so low rent. "No cookies for you"- GFD "I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65 Don't be a "Racer Hater" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #9 February 8, 2009 Quote 2. Great fuel mileage for an all-wheel drive vehicle. Around 28 mpg highway. Wow you must be dead rich .... 28 m.p.g is shite. I would touch a car that bad with a barge pole. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #10 February 8, 2009 Better then the very large 4x4 truck I used to own, which I used to average 13mpg in the city and a great 15mpg on the highway. For a larger vehicle that can carry 4+ people and their gear, 28-30mpg is a good compromise. A small in-city box for two, then sure, 30mpg isn't the best you could do.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverbry 0 #11 February 8, 2009 My Jeep had 6" suspension and 4" body lift with 5:38 gears on 44 Gumbo Monster Mudders. We used to joke it got gallons to the mile. I calculated it at 7 miles per gallon.But that was back in 1983 when gas was WAY under $1.00/gal Stiil abit costly for play Bry-------------------------------------------------- Growing old is mandatory.Growing up is optional!! D.S.#13(Dudeist Skdiver) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonstark 8 #12 February 8, 2009 I just sold my Outback. You might get 28 if it's a stick shift and you live in flat/low terrain. Best I could do up here was 22-26 mpg average. It was a very luxurious car. It had power everything and heated seats which are a major plus in the winter -but- it wasn't what I needed. Chainsaws and gas cans were gonna mess it up so I let er go. I was also nervous of maintenance costs which can be very high should stuff start going south. I second the notion of buying a used car and letting the first owner take the beating. Be patient. Look at the ones you can get to and make offers on all of those. You're looking for a car not a new friend so don't be embarrassed to lo-ball 'em. You might just get a steal. I'm driving a real chick magnet now... 1996 GMC 1/2 ton Sierra, 4WD, regular cab, shortbed with a tool box and lots of mud. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 37 #13 February 8, 2009 I have an '03 Liberty, it's been great for me. The only problems I've had were a factory recall (something about the front wheels falling off, no big deal ) and just last month a window wouldn't stay up all the sudden. The worst part is that it's not really a quiet ride and the gas mileage isn't that great. Overall, I'd buy it again though. She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #14 February 8, 2009 Consider some of the stuff coming out of South Korea. My last two cars were first a Kia Sportage ('95) and a Hyundai Elantra ('00). Both were good cars (still have the Hyundai with 138 Kmiles) priced well below anything comparable. Not sure about the price differentials nowaday's, but it's worth checking into. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverbry 0 #15 February 9, 2009 I just really like those.Like the way they handle on road. Ever have yours off-road? Bry-------------------------------------------------- Growing old is mandatory.Growing up is optional!! D.S.#13(Dudeist Skdiver) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 37 #16 February 9, 2009 Quote I just really like those.Like the way they handle on road. Ever have yours off-road? I've had it as off-road as a soccer mom gets. It's handled icy mountain roads in NC just fine and also the grassy, marshy flatlands of FL. Sometimes I'll veer off the road, just to give it a chance to do its thang and my daughter will yell at me, "Mama,where are you going!". I tell her I have a Jeep, it's what you're supposed to do with it! I also like the capacity it has to haul stuff around. When I was remodeling my house, I was able to fit bathroom vanities, long shelving (cuz you can leave the back window up), and loads and loads of construction materials with no problem.She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #17 February 9, 2009 Not sure if they are available in the US or by this name but I recently took a look at the Skoda Octavia Scout (Diesel 4x4 Estate), which has a claimed combined 44.1.... (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d_squared431 0 #18 February 9, 2009 Quote I just sold my Outback. You might get 28 if it's a stick shift and you live in flat/low terrain. Best I could do up here was 22-26 mpg average. It was a very luxurious car. It had power everything and heated seats which are a major plus in the winter -but- it wasn't what I needed. Chainsaws and gas cans were gonna mess it up so I let er go. I was also nervous of maintenance costs which can be very high should stuff start going south. I second the notion of buying a used car and letting the first owner take the beating. Be patient. Look at the ones you can get to and make offers on all of those. You're looking for a car not a new friend so don't be embarrassed to lo-ball 'em. You might just get a steal. I'm driving a real chick magnet now... 1996 GMC 1/2 ton Sierra, 4WD, regular cab, shortbed with a tool box and lots of mud. I have an outback and love it. For an all wheel drive it gets great mpg. It has more storage room than jeeps. It is not designed for towing but you can tow a small trailer. It is very pricey to fix and keep up. Basic tune up will cost you 1500-2500 depends on where you go. The cost just to have spark plugs changed will cost 600-800 and that does not include the rest of the tune up. If you keep the tune ups and oil changes up the car will run forever with little repairs. Best winter car I have ever owned..TPM Sister#130ONTIG#1 I love vodka.I love vodka cause it rhymes with Tuaca~LisaH You having a clean thought is like billyvance having a clean post.iluvtofly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #19 February 9, 2009 $800 to change spark plug? - Someone saw you coming .. Get y'self down to Halfords (or equivalent) , buy your own and change them you self - It's a bit of a pain but not difficult. Even easier and cheaper on the Diesel (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d_squared431 0 #20 February 9, 2009 Quote $800 to change spark plug? - Someone saw you coming .. Get y'self down to Halfords (or equivalent) , buy your own and change them you self - It's a bit of a pain but not difficult. Even easier and cheaper on the Diesel You should have seen my look when i was told that a few yrs ago. The spark plugs sit inverted or something like that. You can not change them in 5 minutes like most cars. It is about 2hrs or so to take them out and replace them.TPM Sister#130ONTIG#1 I love vodka.I love vodka cause it rhymes with Tuaca~LisaH You having a clean thought is like billyvance having a clean post.iluvtofly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #21 February 9, 2009 I saw via google that they aawkward to get at - what were they thinking when designing that engine? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dumpster 0 #22 February 9, 2009 Get a Toyota. Easy Does It Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #23 February 9, 2009 Quotewhat were they thinking when designing that engine? My guess is "Thank goodness I'm not going to have to work on this. Is it quitting time? I could use a beer."You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverbry 0 #24 February 10, 2009 Well,that leaves the Outback OUT!!!!!-------------------------------------------------- Growing old is mandatory.Growing up is optional!! D.S.#13(Dudeist Skdiver) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #25 February 10, 2009 I have had a 79 CJ-7, a 95 yj wrangler, a 2001 grand cherokee, and now a 07 jk wrangler and i have loved them all! I have never had any major problems with any of them. I love and support Jeeps.... that being said........ a Suby is a solid car. The 4 wheel drive technology Suby has is fantastic. That's all I got...... BluesLife is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
