LongWayToFall 0 #26 February 17, 2009 Man, when a car in front of you is on its brakes, you gotta be able to out brake them. All she did was try to go for the out. Good reaction time but wrong response. If she had gone for brakes only and that's it, she would have had a very solid chance of stopping in time. I mean common, a small rider with the R1's large brakes is capable of some serious stopping power. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #27 February 17, 2009 And an equally good chance of being run over by the car behind her. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #28 February 17, 2009 QuoteMan, when a car in front of you is on its brakes, you gotta be able to out brake them. All she did was try to go for the out. Good reaction time but wrong response She was on the brakes, you can see her spped reduce as she went for the hole. You have to keep in mind that the Civic wasn't just on the brakes, he was sliding sideways, and I have to imagine that the car will slow down pretty fast when you swing it 90 degress to the direction of travel. I think she did a good job with what she had. She managed to avoid object fixation, and went for the only opening she had. As far as her braking skills go, the article attached to the story said she had attended a race school, and had some success in club races. I don't know what you're track experience is, but you can't go fast anywhere until you get good on the brakes. BTW, I'm with NickDG on this one, the view down the shirt of the 'helpful motorist" would have made me feel instantly better if it was me laying in the street. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #29 February 17, 2009 Quote She should sue his arse off. Like some more Kool-Aid? I'll be Mother. We'll have you 'Murican in no time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #30 February 17, 2009 Quote Quote She should sue his arse off. Like some more Kool-Aid? I'll be Mother. We'll have you 'Murican in no time. Orsum..... you Rock...Doooood (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #31 February 17, 2009 Quote I think somebady is pulling somebody's chain. Came in 3rd in her very 1st club race, yet has the reaction rime of a tree sloth. As a full time rider like the lady in the video I disagree. Her first decision was a lane change and she made her move as soon as the car's front end pointed into her lane. Unfortunately, the Accord in the lane to the right of her decided to slam on its brakes too cutting off her out. I watched it probably 50 times and the only way she would have been able to avoid getting hit is if she noticed what was happening in the lane to the left of her before it happened which she clearly didn't.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #32 February 17, 2009 Quotea small rider with the R1's large brakes is capable of some serious stopping power. I have an R1. Yes the brakes are pretty big but it still doesnt stop very fat. It will lock up before anything else. From the video you can tell she was on the brakes and diving for the corner. Bikes dont stop on a dime like some people think.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #33 February 17, 2009 I have 2 bikes. R6s and CBR1000rr and I really doubt I could or would have done differently. She was screwed once the guy spun out. That was a very unexpected and unpredictable type of cutoff. A car not seeing you and taking your lane is one thing, but that would not have been easy to deal with. Most riders put in that predicament would have crashed. The others would have just been lucky.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #34 February 18, 2009 Quote What a jackass. He could have killed her! "She hit me"... Yeah right after you did a 180 degree turn facing directly into her lane NO way. It was her fault. She's a she and he's a he. AND SHE WAS ON A BIKE. How much more at fault can she be? Now, who is going to make her BF dinner? (yes, these posts are made with sarcasm on full effect)My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JSBIRD 1 #35 February 18, 2009 Quote Slippery when wet????? Oh, I hope so! 359"Now I've settled down, in a quiet little town, and forgot about everything" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjumpenfool 2 #36 February 18, 2009 Been riding these damn things for almost 40 years... You have great brakes if you know how to use them. My first thought was, why did it take her so long to innitiate her stop? But, having been there, I envisioned here with one eye on the rear views trying to decide wether to hit someone sliding in front of you, or, being slammed into from behind by some lead chunck of Detroit Iron that takes nearly 3 times the distance to come to a stop as your litre bike. She did what she could! ...And, survived. That's better than most. Nicely done, and very fricking lucky! I bet she'd make a great skydiver??Birdshit & Fools Productions "Son, only two things fall from the sky." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #37 February 18, 2009 I was thinking the same thing when I read the replies here. There's a cliche about reserve rides. If you weren't there you can't tell a person who went to reserve that they were wrong. All you can do is congratulate them on being alive!My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #38 February 18, 2009 QuoteIf you weren't there you can't tell a person who went to reserve that they were wrong. All you can do is congratulate them on being alive! The other thing to remember is that you have to judge her reactions based on your reaction the first time you saw the video, the instant you saw the video. She only had the one chance to see what happened, and one chance to take action. It's easy to go over the video several times, and analyze the situation and her performance, but she did not have that luxury. I, for one, was surprised as hell when I saw what happened. Since I knew that an accident was coming, I was looking for it, and I thought for sure the car on her right was going to change lanes to the left, and cut her off. I never expected what actaully happened. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #39 February 18, 2009 My instructor (all those years ago now) ... said that I should treat everyone like they're out to get me.... everyone that doesn't is a bonus life. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #40 February 18, 2009 Less than two seconds from the first sign of the Civic braking until she slammed into it. He reactions were fine as was her directional control. She went for her only out but it was taken away when the car to her right slowed down.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drunk 0 #41 February 18, 2009 Quote Yeah, there is always two sides to every story. I'd like to hear the story that goes along with this pic! 359 Her website: http://www.crisr1.com.br more pics from the accident here: http://www.pequenasnotaveis.com.br/index.php?topic=21204.20 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LongWayToFall 0 #42 February 19, 2009 As you pointed out and I already knew by reading the article, she is a good rider. She turned first, and then applied brakes. She was certainly capable of applying more brakes though, because the limit of braking power is the rear tire leaving the ground, which didn't happen. Personally, I would have gone only for brakes, and tried to stop in time. Granted, it is possible that the person behind you might hit you, but it is their responsibility to keep adequate space. To the guy who owns the R1 and is locking up the front, you must need some new tires man. You are seriously locking up the front? I have ridden quite a few sport bikes, and they all will lift the rear tire. My friends 05 R1 that I rode awhile back has the weight way way forward, and has got to be one of the easiest bike to endo on. He is constantly trying to get better traction in the rear, never the front. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #43 February 19, 2009 Of course, locking the front is also dependant uon the road surface type and condition (wet/dry etc.). I sent my R6 down the road by locking the front on less a than ideal surface!! (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #44 February 19, 2009 QuoteShe was certainly capable of applying more brakes though, because the limit of braking power is the rear tire leaving the ground, No it's not. You're getting less than maximum braking far BEFORE the rear leaves the ground. Maximum braking happens when both tires have the optimum balance of "patch" in contact with the ground.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #45 February 19, 2009 QuoteShe was certainly capable of applying more brakes though, because the limit of braking power is the rear tire leaving the ground, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No it's not. You're getting less than maximum braking far BEFORE the rear leaves the ground. Maximum braking happens when both tires have the optimum balance of "patch" in contact with the ground. Not to mention the 100% loss of directional control after the rear wheel comes up. 10 years ago that comment enver would have come up. Now, the stunters are out there doing all sorts of cool shit up on the front wheel, every squid out there thinks that's the way to get things slowed down in a hurry. I wonder how many riders out there actually have a plan to haul the rear wheel up in the event of an emergency? On a not-really related note, here a cool vid of Nicky Hayden fooling around on a Supertmotard bike. He wheelies all the way down the straight, switches up to an endo to slow for the corner, and gets it sideways almost before the rear tire comes down. Not the way to do it on the street, but fun to watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDbWSkTwJdk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baksteen 84 #46 February 19, 2009 QuoteGranted, it is possible that the person behind you might hit you, but it is their responsibility to keep adequate space. Would you bank your life on that in, say, skydiving? You're at 3500 so you track 5 secs and pull. Granted, it is possible that the person above you might hit you, but it is their responsibility to keep adequate separation."That formation-stuff in freefall is just fun and games but with an open parachute it's starting to sound like, you know, an extreme sport." ~mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #47 February 20, 2009 QuoteGranted, it is possible that the person behind you might hit you, but it is their responsibility to keep adequate space. Absolutely right!! But it makes little difference who was responsible for doing what when you're getting ready for a long dirt nap. One of the worst things you can do while riding is to assume everybody around you will abide by the rules of the road.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #48 February 20, 2009 QuoteQuoteGranted, it is possible that the person behind you might hit you, but it is their responsibility to keep adequate space. Absolutely right!! But it makes little difference who was responsible for doing what when you're getting ready for a long dirt nap. One of the worst things you can do while riding is to assume everybody around you will abide by the rules of the road. 100% correct and lets not forget that this applies to skydiving too... (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markovwgti 0 #49 February 20, 2009 Poor R1 :( Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #50 February 20, 2009 Quote Poor R1 :( Yeah, but if she's breaking it up for spares, I'll have the saddle (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
