AggieDave 6 #1 March 23, 2009 http://www.fark.com/cgi/vidplayer.pl?IDLink=4283037 Wow. Just wow. I've never seen a heavy bounce like that.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #2 March 23, 2009 When did this happen?So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #3 March 23, 2009 QuoteWhen did this happen? http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510083,00.html "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #4 March 23, 2009 I think it was today.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timmyfitz 0 #5 March 23, 2009 Quote I've never seen a heavy bounce like that. Sure you have, your swoop videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #6 March 23, 2009 Those must have been some pretty bad crosswinds.Condolences to the families of the crew. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertimeunc 0 #7 March 23, 2009 We were talking about this in the flight room today while (ironically) talking about the effects of wind shear and microbursts. I figure they probably hit a wind shear close to the ground, tried to go around, but the engines couldn't spool up in time or the sink rate was too high. Very sad. The best things in life are dangerous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #8 March 23, 2009 Looks to me like cross wind isn't a big factor here. Wind looks as if it's going straight down the runway in the proper direction. People have been reporting winds gusting 30-50 but the video certainly doesn't show that. It shows fairly steady winds and I'd estimate them in the 20-30 range which should be well within tolerance. It's a pity that the video I've been able to locate on YouTube and elsewhere focuses so much on the second bounce and hardly shows anything prior to the first one. I will say this, planes normally don't bounce like that unless they're driven into the ground with a nose down attitude. It "almost" looks as if they set the nose down and then brought it back up as if they were going to do a touch and go, it didn't have power, came back down on the nose, bounced up again, stalled and possibly the left main collapsed and then that was the end of it It will be interesting to see how this all is revealed when the black box data is released.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #9 March 24, 2009 Personal note: When I got to work today I learned that the captain was Kevin Mosley, a former coworker. I worked with him for a year or so, 20+ years ago. He left the FAA to fly for the airlines. Before the FAA, he had been a Marine Aviator, spending many years in the cockpit of the Phantom F-4. Great guy to work with, hard worker, very competent but never cocky, had some great flying stories. Good guy all the way around. Once again, my condolences to all the families affected by this tragedy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LyraM45 0 #10 March 24, 2009 I was working a mid shift last night and came in to work hearing all the commotion associated with the accident. I pulled up some observations at RJAA as soon as I heard what happened, and at the time of their arrival it looked like winds from 350 around 25 or 30 kts, gusts as high as 47 kts. Their approach runway was 16L/34R, the longer of the two operational runways, which means their winds were not cross winded so much, and there really wasn't much directional shear as the news is continually reporting. Now, that doesn't mean they weren't effect by speed shear. I think this looks all too familiar of that accident back at KEWR a few years back. Just my .02 as a weather forecaster/flight planner on duty last night looking at everything. Condolences to all involved. Sad day, indeed. Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites