GQ_jumper 4 #1 August 4, 2009 For obvious reasons Forrest is the HUGE underdog against Anderson in this fight which begs the question, is anyone going to bet on him? I know I will! It isn't considered the smart bet but Forrest has become the new Randy Couture, you never count him out and you never bet against him when the odds are in his opponents favor. And of course since I utterly despise BJ Penn, especially after he he had him mommy file a complaint with the NSAC after his fight with GSP And the little turd refuses to admit he's ever lost despite having only a 4-3 record since returning to the UFC. i hope Kenny uses those elbows to rip his skull open. What's everyone elses take?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murrays 0 #2 August 4, 2009 Another fight where you think you'd have to be nuts to bet on the underdog....and a lot of them have come through in the last few years. I wouldn't bet against Silva in this fight. But....Forrest has tons of heart and I think has improved himself constantly. Could be a money maker for you but it wouldn't be a bet I'd make. I hope Kenny Florian beats Penn's spoiled, whiny ass.-- Murray "No tyranny is so irksome as petty tyranny: the officious demands of policemen, government clerks, and electromechanical gadgets." - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #3 August 4, 2009 Yeah i've called a handful of upsets in the last few years, I called Mir over Nog. I personally believe Frank to be the better ground fighter as well, he has much more dynamic submissions than Nog. Anderson is the better striker in every aspect but I think Forrest's size may present some awkwards scenarios if he pushes the pace and utilizes good footwork. Plus I think if it goes to the ground Anderson will find himself surprisingly overwhelmed.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murrays 0 #4 August 4, 2009 Is Forrest going to be ok at 185? He's taller and has a longer reach than Silva but I wonder if dropping the weight will affect his stamina.-- Murray "No tyranny is so irksome as petty tyranny: the officious demands of policemen, government clerks, and electromechanical gadgets." - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #5 August 4, 2009 QuoteIs Forrest going to be ok at 185? He's taller and has a longer reach than Silva but I wonder if dropping the weight will affect his stamina. There is no way Forrest can make 185. Anderson is going up in weight. I don't see why Forrest is that much of an underdog. He's a lot bigger and stronger than Anderson is typically fighting and you can guarantee that Forrest will be ready to go, unlike a typical Anderson fight which is over before the bell even rings. It'll be interesting to see how he reacts to someone who isn't afraid of him and trades blows. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #6 August 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteIs Forrest going to be ok at 185? He's taller and has a longer reach than Silva but I wonder if dropping the weight will affect his stamina. There is no way Forrest can make 185. Anderson is going up in weight. I don't see why Forrest is that much of an underdog. He's a lot bigger and stronger than Anderson is typically fighting and you can guarantee that Forrest will be ready to go, unlike a typical Anderson fight which is over before the bell even rings. It'll be interesting to see how he reacts to someone who isn't afraid of him and trades blows. You are correct, the fight will take place at 205. Forrest walks around at 230-240 pounds, there is no way he could ever make middleweight. He is also the underdog because he is challenging the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world. On paper there is no aspect of this fight apart from size that Forrest holds an advantage in. And that size advantage only comes into play if Forrest can force Anderson into a position to have to use it. When you consider Silva's tendency to be a counter-striker, along with the reach that he possesses than this fight tilts even more in favor of Silva. On paper there is no way Forrest can win this fight, but luckily fights don't happen on paper, if they did Randy would've retired[for good] years ago. I see this fight going to Forrest due to his inability to be intimidated and willingness to take punishment to force his game plan.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murrays 0 #7 August 5, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteIs Forrest going to be ok at 185? He's taller and has a longer reach than Silva but I wonder if dropping the weight will affect his stamina. There is no way Forrest can make 185. Anderson is going up in weight. I don't see why Forrest is that much of an underdog. He's a lot bigger and stronger than Anderson is typically fighting and you can guarantee that Forrest will be ready to go, unlike a typical Anderson fight which is over before the bell even rings. It'll be interesting to see how he reacts to someone who isn't afraid of him and trades blows. You are correct, the fight will take place at 205. Forrest walks around at 230-240 pounds, there is no way he could ever make middleweight. He is also the underdog because he is challenging the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world. On paper there is no aspect of this fight apart from size that Forrest holds an advantage in. And that size advantage only comes into play if Forrest can force Anderson into a position to have to use it. When you consider Silva's tendency to be a counter-striker, along with the reach that he possesses than this fight tilts even more in favor of Silva. On paper there is no way Forrest can win this fight, but luckily fights don't happen on paper, if they did Randy would've retired[for good] years ago. I see this fight going to Forrest due to his inability to be intimidated and willingness to take punishment to force his game plan. I missed the 205 weight for the fight...thanks for straightening me out on that. Now, is going up in weight going to have any adverse effects on the Spider?-- Murray "No tyranny is so irksome as petty tyranny: the officious demands of policemen, government clerks, and electromechanical gadgets." - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murrays 0 #8 August 5, 2009 Odds online are pretty interesting. $100 on Griffin will give you $250 if he wins and those wishing to bet on SIlva have to put up $375 to win $100. GQJumper - do you place bets on these fights? Cheers, Murray Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #9 August 5, 2009 QuoteOdds online are pretty interesting. $100 on Griffin will give you $250 if he wins and those wishing to bet on SIlva have to put up $375 to win $100. GQJumper - do you place bets on these fights? Cheers, Murray I have actually never bet money on a UFC, I'll make fun bets with my friends all the time where the loser has to do something degrading but turn down offers for money. I may put up some money online for this one. It's a stupid bet but I just can't stop believing that Griffin will achieve greatness every time he steps in the cage. Plus I want to be able to say I bet on Griffin if he wins!! I'd be da man!! The extra weight may very well affect Anderson in the 3rd round, but rumor has it he usually walks around over 200 between fights so this shouldn't be too big of a change for him. It's Forrest's size that will wear him down.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #10 August 5, 2009 Quote The extra weight may very well affect Anderson in the 3rd round, but rumor has it he usually walks around over 200 between fights so this shouldn't be too big of a change for him. It's Forrest's size that will wear him down. I agree there is no way you can count Forrest out. Also it will be nice to see Anderson fight when the pace is something more than some standing sheepishly in front of him hoping to not get knocked out. Forrest will definitely bring the fight to him. This one should not disappoint. Also about the p4p thing - who cares? Look at what happened to BJ when he went up in weight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #11 August 6, 2009 Also about the p4p thing - who cares? Look at what happened to BJ when he went up in weight. Quote That is a very different situation than this one though. Forrest isn't even ranked on the p4p list, whereas BJ and GSP were both in the top 4 on every p4p list. Of course one has to take into account that Forrest has set a precedent in the last 2 years that he can destroy any top-ranked fighter in the world. Rua and Jackson were both the #1 LHW fighters when they fought Griffin and look how that ended for them. What really cracks me up about this UFC is the attitude everyone is taking towards Penn. Once again we are hearing the praises about how a "focused, invigorated" Penn is the most dangerous person in the sport. Funny thing is they say that before every one of his fights and everytime it turns out to be BS. How many times can you refocuse and reinvigorate yourself? When you've set a precedent that you're failure after he first round you're pretty much branded for life.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnnyD 0 #12 August 6, 2009 Press conference was today. Holy crap - Anderson is as big as Forrest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #13 August 7, 2009 I saw a few pics of Silva doing a bit of training and he looked a bit beefier than usual. Haven't gotten to see him next to Forrest though I'll have to check out the pics. It's still different though, Forrest is cutting from 230-240, Anderson I doubt is cutting from more than 215-220 and Forrest is used to the weight. Unfortunately its only a 3 rounder so Forrest won't be able to really drag him into deep water to test his cardio but if Forrest gets him up against the cage and starts working him over he could easily wear him out. It's going to be a very interesting match, I can't wait.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnnyD 0 #14 August 7, 2009 Very interesting for sure. Weigh ins today and pics will be up on the dog. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mouth 0 #15 August 9, 2009 Guess you lost your money as Griffin SUCKED....looked like he didn't even get hit but a few times. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #16 August 10, 2009 QuoteGuess you lost your money as Griffin SUCKED....looked like he didn't even get hit but a few times. Actually I didn't get a chance to put any money down b4 the fight so I got lucky! And Griffin didn't suck in any way in that fight, he went toe to toe with the best pound for pound fighter in the world who has apparently rediscovered his motivation, and Forrest still had the balls to get in his face more than anyone else has done in the last year. The shots Forrest took were right on the button and would've dropped anybody. I'd be willing to bet you've never taken a punch to the jaw in your life and have absolutely no idea when someone hits you with real accuracy and power. Forrest made a mistake or two and telegraphed some of his strikes but he's still better than 95% of that division. Forrest put it best when he said Anderson Silva makes the best fighters look bad in comparison. A Ferrari is an awesome sports car but next to a formula 1 its nothing, doesn't make it a crappy sports car, he was outclassed by the best. Forrest will come back and be a credible force in teh LHW division.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #17 August 10, 2009 Um...yea...so, I uh, am a little late here. I saw the event. I wish BJ would have gotten the loss again. I cant stand that whiny bitch. It's easy to reinvigorate and refocus yourself when you lose it after every fight. Although, I gotta admot I was surprised that Penn didn't gas. K-flo was trying everything to get that wind out of him. I like Forrest but I hate when he acts like a 6year old. Its only been twice that I have seen it but it takes his credibility and cool points away.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
JohnnyD 0 #12 August 6, 2009 Press conference was today. Holy crap - Anderson is as big as Forrest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #13 August 7, 2009 I saw a few pics of Silva doing a bit of training and he looked a bit beefier than usual. Haven't gotten to see him next to Forrest though I'll have to check out the pics. It's still different though, Forrest is cutting from 230-240, Anderson I doubt is cutting from more than 215-220 and Forrest is used to the weight. Unfortunately its only a 3 rounder so Forrest won't be able to really drag him into deep water to test his cardio but if Forrest gets him up against the cage and starts working him over he could easily wear him out. It's going to be a very interesting match, I can't wait.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #14 August 7, 2009 Very interesting for sure. Weigh ins today and pics will be up on the dog. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mouth 0 #15 August 9, 2009 Guess you lost your money as Griffin SUCKED....looked like he didn't even get hit but a few times. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #16 August 10, 2009 QuoteGuess you lost your money as Griffin SUCKED....looked like he didn't even get hit but a few times. Actually I didn't get a chance to put any money down b4 the fight so I got lucky! And Griffin didn't suck in any way in that fight, he went toe to toe with the best pound for pound fighter in the world who has apparently rediscovered his motivation, and Forrest still had the balls to get in his face more than anyone else has done in the last year. The shots Forrest took were right on the button and would've dropped anybody. I'd be willing to bet you've never taken a punch to the jaw in your life and have absolutely no idea when someone hits you with real accuracy and power. Forrest made a mistake or two and telegraphed some of his strikes but he's still better than 95% of that division. Forrest put it best when he said Anderson Silva makes the best fighters look bad in comparison. A Ferrari is an awesome sports car but next to a formula 1 its nothing, doesn't make it a crappy sports car, he was outclassed by the best. Forrest will come back and be a credible force in teh LHW division.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #17 August 10, 2009 Um...yea...so, I uh, am a little late here. I saw the event. I wish BJ would have gotten the loss again. I cant stand that whiny bitch. It's easy to reinvigorate and refocus yourself when you lose it after every fight. Although, I gotta admot I was surprised that Penn didn't gas. K-flo was trying everything to get that wind out of him. I like Forrest but I hate when he acts like a 6year old. Its only been twice that I have seen it but it takes his credibility and cool points away.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
