Engineers aint got no game!

[chasteh 0]

No, i'd bet that most people think engineers are very intelligent people and are generally useful for society.

So, why is it, do you think, that the school bus mechanic is the player? How much more likely is the engineer to be prim and proper than bus driver? Does being prim and proper make for a person a girl wants to fuck, or a person they want to get married to? The person you get married to and the person you fuck are two different people.

Don't people just get married these days so that they can get ultra-excited about having sex with someone they aren't supposed to have sex with? I think most women, to the core, are interested in someone who can get them super excited, like the guy who isn't begging them to go out on a date. (And ladies, you know what I mean by super-excited. Does your heart skip a beat when I say the words: Brad Pitt?)

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No, i'd bet that most people think engineers are very intelligent people and are generally useful for society.
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Tell that to middle and upper management and the bean counters! The thing engineers are a pile of much, info goes in and a solution comes out....they just don't understand what an engineer has to do to produce said solution. And since the engineer isn't the one to brag about how hard he had to work...no one will ever know and people will just use the poor guy or gal.

Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay.

The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

[chasteh 0]

>BUT I didn't learn to skydive just to enter an environment where I have little competition for the men's attention, as you imply.

Right. And as a guy, 95% of my efforts have not been towards gettin' some ass. (Channeled through being successful in other things, like sports, career work, school, or trying to make people laugh - yes, even for me this works at times)

>At the risk of being accused of thinking highly of myself, I never had trouble getting male attention, in any environment.

I would find a way to oppose this, but judging by your picture I just might be in the wrong thread here. (Where is that anonymous "id bang you" thread, anyways?)

In other words, I believe you.

[chasteh 0]

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Tell that to middle and upper management and the bean counters! The thing engineers are a pile of much, info goes in and a solution comes out....they just don't understand what an engineer has to do to produce said solution. And since the engineer isn't the one to brag about how hard he had to work...no one will ever know and people will just use the poor guy or gal.

Ohh I see. Actually, there you are just an employee. Employees are merely in place to do things that machines cannot do yet. The employer/manager looks at you like you are a piece of capital, but there is a recurring cost for your services; So if the employer can find a way to hire someone for a lower wage, they will be more than happy to do it.

These are among the many reasons I despise managers. Profit and movement to a higher echelon is the goal, not producing for the sake of providing a useful product or contributing to society.

If we kept going here, we would have made this thread more appropriate for the speaker's corner, I think.

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chasteh
No you are right, you have a bunch of business majors who had an "easy" life at university thinking that any two toed monkey can do the job of the engineer.
And the engineer just lacks the guts to stand up and declare his value.
It's a recipe for disaster.

Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay.

The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

[normiss 871]

Your experience with engineers differs greatly from my own.

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Your experience with engineers differs greatly from my own.

No shit.

Henry Bivins had a long background in Surveying and Engineering.

Not a PE or PLS but no slouch either.

He was quite a choir boy





I miss him, he was my best friend, now the circle has gotten smaller.

There are not many of us left.

[chasteh 0]

>No you are right, you have a bunch of business majors who had an "easy" life at university thinking that any two toed monkey can do the job of the engineer

Well I don't k now that it was necessarily easy for them to go to business school, stay there, and ending up passing all of their courses. My brother is a BS in Business Administration - Management. I know that he did his damndest to stay in school and finish. Yet, I still think his career choice is an exploitation of the efforts of others. The career does involve work, it does involve effort. However, I think in productivity value the field is absolutely worthless. It does make others pay more for the product, but it does not make the product itself more useful - nor does it create more of them - it may provide funds to create more of the product, though.

It focuses primarily on increasing profit and getting a sliver of it. One monkey gets more bananas for a pile, and he either takes it for himself or takes some of it as payment for providing it to an employer. The monkeys aren't left with more bananas, only one monkey found a technique for getting more bananas than the other person. This is a common rationalization of the free-market system. "We are producing more for society." Well, maybe. Your goal is producing more to sell it and move more wealth in your direction, not producing for society, silly profiteers.

I think engineers could solve many more of of humanity's problems were they not in a position that required them to sell their services, nor to think of the resale value of their services. Engineers are highly useful people - the free market dynamic and it's profiteers do not know how to use that for society's advantage, only theirs.

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In my view, a good girl is someone who cares about her children's future. Money is definitely a factor in determining how good a future a couple can offer their children. Unless the girl is making enough money to be the sole breadwinner and provide a comfortable future for her children, even while bearing children, the guy's income is going to be a factor. Not the only factor. But certainly a factor.

Is … or should? … the inverse be true? Should a good man who cares about his children’s future consider the earning power of a potential spouse/partner in choosing a partner?

Speaking for myself – others can do whatever they want (within limits of civil/criminal and physical laws) – I can’t say that current or future salary has ever been a specific factor in men I choose/have chosen to date or not. Yes, I do ask what someone does … although I can’t think of an instance in which I’ve dated someone I didn’t have some idea of what he did before we went out. I am curious how he got to where he’s that at, (hopefully) what drives him to do what he’s doing, and why. But I can see how that curiosity could be interpreted as part of a notional litmus test. Hadn’t thought of it that way before. Thanks.
Think the focus “on what do you do” may also be an artifact of American inclination to define ourselves (largely, there are, of course, exceptions) through our careers and what we do, like skydiving.

/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
Tibetan Buddhist saying

[OlympiaStoica 0]

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>BUT I didn't learn to skydive just to enter an environment where I have little competition for the men's attention, as you imply.

Right. And as a guy, 95% of my efforts have not been towards gettin' some ass. (Channeled through being successful in other things, like sports, career work, school, or trying to make people laugh - yes, even for me this works at times)

>At the risk of being accused of thinking highly of myself, I never had trouble getting male attention, in any environment.

I would find a way to oppose this, but judging by your picture I just might be in the wrong thread here. (Where is that anonymous "id bang you" thread, anyways?)

In other words, I believe you.

Hey ... I didn't say I'm not interested in "gettin' some ass" (considering I haven't had any since I broke up with my bf, gettin' some would be nice just about now )... I do shower, paint my nails, put on makeup and wear nice clothes so men notice me. I said I didn't start skydiving to get dates (i.e. ass)
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[chasteh 0]

>... I do shower

OOhhh. Might be too fancy for me. I thought we were workin out for a second!

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>... I do shower

OOhhh. Might be too fancy for me. I thought we were workin out for a second!

Try the French girls then.


Romanian, Czech, Hungarian and Ukraine girls are far too clean for you.

Some guys like them clean and leave them dirty.
Some weirdos like them dirty and leave them clean

[normiss 871]

[turtlespeed 226]

Well - you can't offer - then rescind the offer - only to offer to another and rescind that one too -

Ever hear of the boy that cried WOLF?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[LuckyMcSwervy 0]

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I've always wanted one of those really good girls - the kind that could care less about fucking you simply because you have no money.

In my view, a good girl is someone who cares about her children's future. Money is definitely a factor in determining how good a future a couple can offer their children. Unless the girl is making enough money to be the sole breadwinner and provide a comfortable future for her children, even while bearing children, the guy's income is going to be a factor. Not the only factor. But certainly a factor.

Psssttttttttttt...... not all "good girls" want to have kids. Or rely on a man's income. Some "good girls" do just swell on their own. Like me.

Always be kinder than you feel.

[turtlespeed 226]

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I've always wanted one of those really good girls - the kind that could care less about fucking you simply because you have no money.

In my view, a good girl is someone who cares about her children's future. Money is definitely a factor in determining how good a future a couple can offer their children. Unless the girl is making enough money to be the sole breadwinner and provide a comfortable future for her children, even while bearing children, the guy's income is going to be a factor. Not the only factor. But certainly a factor.

Psssttttttttttt...... not all "good girls" want to have kids. Or rely on a man's income. Some "good girls" do just swell on their own. Like me.

Uh huh.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[SivaGanesha 2]

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In my view, a good girl is someone who cares about her children's future. Money is definitely a factor in determining how good a future a couple can offer their children. Unless the girl is making enough money to be the sole breadwinner and provide a comfortable future for her children, even while bearing children, the guy's income is going to be a factor. Not the only factor. But certainly a factor.

Is … or should? … the inverse be true? Should a good man who cares about his children’s future consider the earning power of a potential spouse/partner in choosing a partner?

Yes, absolutely!

However in my experience it is far more common for the women to ask the probing questions of the men than the other way around. The women seem to get to questions about my financial situation--eg whether I'm owning or renting the condo I live in--very early in a prospective dating situation--questions that I would not even think to ask so early.

But yes it should be symmetric between the sexes. Again, if either partner is so well off that they know they can carry the financial burden of the entire family on their own--then they don't need to worry about the partner's status. Such a situation is increasingly rare in the modern world but I presume occasionally it still happens.

"It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014

[chasteh 0]

You never thought she would be on a boat?

Miss independeent, oooh, miss indepeeendeent

[LuckyMcSwervy 0]

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Psssttttttttttt...... not all "good girls" want to have kids. Or rely on a man's income. Some "good girls" do just swell on their own. Like me.

Uh huh.

Yeah huh.

Always be kinder than you feel.

[turtlespeed 226]

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You never thought she would be on a boat?

Miss independeent, oooh, miss indepeeendeent

I wouldn't know what a boat has to do with it . . . but obviously you don't know fuck about Miss Lucky.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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You never thought she would be on a boat?

Miss independeent, oooh, miss indepeeendeent

I wouldn't know what a boat has to do with it . . . but obviously you don't know fuck about Miss Lucky.

He means the "I'm on a boat" video skydiver thing...

And what about "Miss Lucky"???

Always be kinder than you feel.

[turtlespeed 226]

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You never thought she would be on a boat?

Miss independeent, oooh, miss indepeeendeent

I wouldn't know what a boat has to do with it . . . but obviously you don't know fuck about Miss Lucky.

He means the "I'm on a boat" video skydiver thing...

And what about "Miss Lucky"???

You know.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[LuckyMcSwervy 0]

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He means the "I'm on a boat" video skydiver thing...

And what about "Miss Lucky"???

You know.

Apparently, I don't!!

Always be kinder than you feel.

[chasteh 0]

>but obviously you don't know fuck about Miss Lucky

Not as much as you claim to know about ethics and Regulations.

[downwardspiral 0]

Just because a woman wants a man to provide for her and her children does not necessarily mean she wants him to provide the dna for her aformentioned children.

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