dninness 4 #51 August 19, 2009 QuoteGreen does not mean GO, it means Go if its safe to do so. Dick heads shouting, who can't see out of the door will be ignored and rightly so. I like the guys who didn't bother to find out what the ground speed/exit separation is before they got on the plane or on the ride to altitude, and who cannot seem to figure out that going "1234..Ok, that was 4 seconds" is not right. I was doing a practice AFF eval jump last week, and we were the last "belly" group out (our deployment was intended to be at a normal, non-student altitude) before the freeflyers. I did some figuring in my head and came up with 4 seconds before we should start our climb out (to give us time to get setup, etc) So the group before us goes, I begin to count (visibly) four seconds with a "one one-thousand, two one-thousand" count before we start our climbout. As I count "One one-thousand" this freeflyer behind me is shouting "GOGOGOGOGO!" I (rightly) concentrated on my "student" but the urge to turn around and say (loudly) "SHUT THE FUCK UP!" was huge. I had a discussion with said freeflyer about safe behavior in the plane. I don't think it sank in.NIN D-19617, AFF-I '19 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niki1 2 #52 August 19, 2009 QuoteThe Xmas boogie at Eloy last year was another good one. We were a 34ish-way, Skyvan as lead and Otter as tail. I was rear float on the Otter. Yellow light comes on and people start yelling GOGOGOGOGO...Climbout! I was behind the vidiot who was getting out to take camera step and couldn't see outside, but I could see the camera guy (super experienced Eloy local) telling them it wasn't time. After a while the vidiot got sick of hearing them yell and he got out, and we all followed. I think we were six in the door of the Otter, I was rear float and I held on for one minute and 54 seconds before I didn't have the strength anymore and started my solo from 15K. OK, I've got one of those too. 1986 at Musgogee, the Nationals Boogie. Almost everyone from the Pitt Meadows 100 attempts came to Musgogee to give it another try. Five 98 - 99 ways and one unofficial 100. (Also the most awesomly, bitchenest skydive I've ever been a part of but that's another story) The organizing was excellent, the aircraft support and pilots- excellent. Three DC-3s in a comfortably close formation. Tommy Pirus is spotting in the lead plan and he's supposed to throw a yellow WDI to signal the climb out. The plane captains in two wing planes are to wait for the signal and strar the climb out in their respective planes. Tommy, standing in the back of his plane, takes the list of jumpers out of his jumpsuit and says to the plane load, "I don't need this anymore because we're going to do it on this jump!" And with that, he throws the white notebook pages out the door. (You may see where this is headed) The right wing plane sees something thrown from the lead and starts climbing out. Some one in the left wing plane (mine) see the right wing climbing out and starts yelling "CLIMB OUT, CLIMB OUT!!" Mike McGowan is the camara man and he's first out, rear, rear. rear floater. The rest start to climb out. I'm the last one in the straight line at the wall and Joe Nepute, the plane captain looking out the window waiting for the YELLOW streamer to be thrown, looks over his shoulder. looks up at me and says, 'What are they climbing out for?" By now, Mike McGowan had been out there for a few minutes and he finally cannot hang on any longer. Mike is one strong, determined individual and he probably held on twice as long as anyone else could. When the right wing plane saw some one in freefall, they started exiting. When our plane saw the right wing exiting, people started yelling, "GO, GO, GO!!!!" and we started exiting. I follow my guy down about half way of what I thought we would go and he's looking back up past me, I slide in and dock on his left with a wrist grip and look back up where he's looking and I see, way, way up there is the base 10 way. oops. After landing, I gathered my stuff up to go back to the packing area and on the way I was asking people, "Did they make it?" like I was no part of the Chaos. We made the first 100 way on the next dive the next morning.Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossilbe before they were done. Louis D Brandeis Where are we going and why are we in this basket? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #53 August 19, 2009 (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpwally 0 #54 August 19, 2009 Nice,,,Very nice ! smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mdrejhon 8 #55 August 19, 2009 900hp? I know where that is :-) I need to visit that modernizing dropzone again soon. New Supervan engine upgrade, new swoop pond, expanding facilities. I had Donald Gravelle to go there to host PST's first big way camp, and he's going back there for their second big way camp. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lippy 918 #56 August 19, 2009 Quote Quote I was rear float and I held on for one minute and 54 seconds before I didn't have the strength anymore and started my solo from 15K. Pussy. I think my wife was front float on that one and she hung on There was a guy in front float, and he wasn't all the way up and using the flap lever to keep himself up...That's why he started sliding backwards and eventually pushing the guy behind him, and the girl behind him......up until the rear float fell off. I got real big and hoped they'd leave real shortly after I did, but I think I had a 10 second delay before they jumped. I turned around and tracked up jump runI got nuthin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mdrejhon 8 #57 August 19, 2009 Quote>Red means dont go. Green means go. It really isnt that hard to >understand now is it? Only two lights? Then what would you do when both are off? How will people know when to open or close the door, or put their helmets on? Surely your DZ does not have such a dangerous and confusing system!Yours does, don't they ;-) Some dropzones use three lights: Red (2min call), Yellow (open door), Green (go!). Maybe we need additional lights too: An orange light (hop-n-pop jumprun) blue light (beer), and a purple light (skymama's turn to jump). When all six lights are on, then we're on the jump run for the gay way world recotd. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 892 #58 August 19, 2009 Will you people just exit the aircraft already??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 37 #59 August 19, 2009 Well, if I'm gonna get my own light, can't I just have my own plane? I don't like how squishy you RW people make it for me in the back anyway.She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #60 August 19, 2009 I truly have NO idea!!!!!HOW we EVER managed to exit an airplane....BEFORE there were lights????does this mean that a couple of thousand jumps i did,,, B . L > "before lights",,, without the benefit of someone screaming at me.....don't count??? just wondering....... jamesjoseph Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #61 August 19, 2009 >HOW we EVER managed to exit an airplane..BEFORE there were lights? I can tell you first hand - we didn't. We just took off and flew around aimlessly with the door open until about, oh, 1995. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #62 August 20, 2009 "with the door open" hell back then, we jumped out of alot of planes, that didn't even HAVE a door. just an open space, in the side of the fuselage.... as i'm sure many of us can recall..jmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,587 #63 August 20, 2009 No bars or steps on the Otters, either. We just kind of held on. Man, we sure were tough.Wendy P. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #64 August 20, 2009 tough, for sure.but what would we expect, for 10 bucks a jump.... ??? see?? they added things like doors, and floater bars, and SEAT Belts, and OMG , GPS.... and lift prices went through the roof....jamesjoseph Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #65 August 20, 2009 Quote tough, for sure.but what would we expect, for 10 bucks a jump.... ??? see?? they added things like doors, and floater bars, and SEAT Belts, and OMG , GPS.... and lift prices went through the roof....jamesjoseph As far as I'm concerned, they can take them back and lower the prices. "That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #66 August 20, 2009 Quote No bars or steps on the Otters, either. We just kind of held on. Man, we sure were tough.Wendy P. ... aye ... and y'tell the kids today and they just don't believe ya. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #67 August 20, 2009 and that was when planes took forever to get to any altitude..... Piston Islander... no door (no seat belts!!) in standard U.K weather ...... But I Loved that a/c (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #68 August 20, 2009 Quote No bars or steps on the Otters, either. We just kind of held on. Man, we sure were tough.Wendy P. Kinda like 15 people standing on the wing of the D-18...there was nobody left inside to yell "Go! GO! Go!"My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #69 August 20, 2009 Quote Quote No bars or steps on the Otters, either. We just kind of held on. Man, we sure were tough.Wendy P. Kinda like 15 people standing on the wing of the D-18...there was nobody left inside to yell "Go! GO! Go!" Except the pilot, who's screaming "WILL YOU ASSHOLES GET THE FUCK OFF MY WING ALREADY?!?!?" "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billeisele 130 #70 August 20, 2009 Quote No bars or steps on the Otters, either. We just kind of held on. Man, we sure were tough.Wendy P. front floating a DC-3 with that big 'ole 1/4" wide rain gutter was always fun - "I will not fall off, I will not fall off"Give one city to the thugs so they can all live together. I vote for Chicago where they have strict gun laws. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrwrong 0 #71 August 20, 2009 Quote and that was when planes took forever to get to any altitude..... Piston Islander... no door (no seat belts!!) in standard U.K weather ...... But I Loved that a/c We fly an Islander... Piston engines But just until this season ends.... We have sold it to a Canadian flight school.... It HAS a door though... “The sum of intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing.” - George Bernard Shaw He who dies with the most toys, wins..... dudeist skydiver # 19515 Buy quality and cry once! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #72 August 20, 2009 - I've seen a GPS-equipped pilot turn on the green light ~1 mile before reaching the airport. - I've seen a GPS-equipped pilot turn on the green light with jump run being ~1 mile North of where it was suppsed to be. - I've opened the door to check the spot and seen the back of a Southwest airliner approaching us. - I've jumped at a permanent DZ which was marked with a parachute on the sectionals, and yet USFS slurry bombers persisted in flying right across the middle at 3000 feet in spite of repeated calls from the DZO complaining. One freeflyer got really cool video when he nearly took off the tail."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DiverMike 5 #73 August 21, 2009 The plane was flying backwards? Quote - I've opened the door to check the spot and seen the back of a Southwest airliner approaching us. For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul87 0 #74 August 21, 2009 Quote Quote Quote No bars or steps on the Otters, either. We just kind of held on. Man, we sure were tough.Wendy P. Kinda like 15 people standing on the wing of the D-18...there was nobody left inside to yell "Go! GO! Go!" Except the pilot, who's screaming "WILL YOU ASSHOLES GET THE FUCK OFF MY WING ALREADY?!?!?" Or the pilot just do a roll "flying" is the most reasonable thing I ever done Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sletzer 3 #75 August 21, 2009 Hey, got not problem with what you're saying. I agree 100%. My problem is the assholes that pause to look while exiting 14th on a 23-way out of an otter. Get the FUCK OUT!!!!! Besides that, I agree though I will be kissing hands and shaking babies all afternoon. Thanks for all your support! *bows* SCS #8251 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
