Do you think a PLF would work if....

[Ketia0 0]

You had NO canopy.

Im talking about a PERFECT PLF.

Do you think you could survive a fall from a plane if something happened and you had no canopy. ( maybe a hard opening broke your chest strap and you fall out)

I have a buddy from the military and we were talking about it. He said he thinks its possible.. but not probable.

He was telling me that in the army they teach you how to PLF from like 15-20 foot walls. A PLF is designed to spread the impact evenly throughout the body, so you could take a 120 mph hit.


Thoughts?

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[Pokerstar 0]

One word answer. NOPE.

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[billeisele 130]

it would only make the splat slightly larger

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[captain1976 0]

Hi,

The answer is NO! with an explanation.
There are 2 incidences where people I know were killed when they were in a position to do PLF’s.
In a high speed descent both had double streamers. The first one was Connie O'Rourke (D-300)
Who was doing a Santa Clause Suit jump in Lake Geneva Wisconsin. Anyway, the main (28 Ft Round) pilot chute caught on a smoke grenade and caused a horseshoe malfunction. The hand-deployed reserve got entangled but put Connie in a perfect upright position.
He was killed on impact but the Coroners report stated that the areas which showed the greatest damage was on his right side. The areas on the outside of the right foot, calf, thigh and buttock all had shattered bones leaving us to believe he attempted a plf since he always emphasized them.
The cause of death was listed as internal injuries as a result of from a parachuting accident.

The 2nd was July 7, 1982 when Jim Stoyas (D-60 & POPS No 1000) who had over 4000 jumps experienced his first malfunction in Hebron Illinois. He was flying a square and though he was a great instructor and emphasized proper cutaway procedures, he dumped his reserve which entangled with the main. I know what he was trying to do as he mentioned it to me one day shortly before he was killed. He called it a canopy transfer as we really didn’t know in those days how easily a square main and reserve could entangle. He was also using a round reserve.
Anyhow, he too was put in a perfect feet to earth position and tried a plf as the witnesses stated (I was flying the plane and didn’t see him hit). Because of my involvement added to the fact that he was a very close friend, I had first-hand information about what killed him.
I even mentioned to the doctor what he was trying to do (the PLF) and why would he be killed rather than busted up badly. He explained that in most cases of hard impact, the brain which floats in a fluid is jarred so badly, the damage is done as it impacts the back of the scull. So massive brain injury was listed as the cause of his death.

Maybe one of you is a Doctor and can give us more insight on this, but I do believe any impact of this type is only survivable when there is something else to break the fall other than the hard ground.

You live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime

[skydiver30960 0]

You can check out youtube for videos of parkour or street running and see some pretty sweet PLF's off of tall walls and two story buildings and whatnot; but from terminal velocity? You first!

Elvisio "knees hurt just thinking about it" Rodriguez

[airdvr 210]

Take a look at this for some perspective on freefall speed and then ask youself if a PLF would make much difference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCS2VeeQzo8

Please don't dent the planet.

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[aresye 0]

And Jeb is trying to land that?

The sound of the flybys almost sounds artificial. Does a wingsuit really make that sound?

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[JohnMitchell 16]

Absolutely no. Practice your emergency procedures. Next time you're driving on a 2 lane highway at 60 mph, watch the oncoming traffic and imagine it's the Earth coming up at you. Try to survive that with a PLF. Ain't gonna happen, but on the plus side, it won't hurt much.

[lpdwntnd 0]

I have only been skydiving for the last month and as soon as I saw the title and the next line I said no. Hell no! I have broken one wrist twice and the other once, one ankle once and 3 ribs on that was as well. That was from skating. My worst was when I put my car in a ditch backwards at 60. That's only 60mph in a reinforced vehicle. I Spent 2 weeks in the hospital. The human body no mater how you fall could not with stand a 120mph fall.(Unless you were one lucky fuck!)

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[jackmove 0]

What about that guy on the millitary channel that fell out of his harness at 2500ft agl and lived to jump again? Never say never. By the way CouchFreaks (Dollar Days) is only two days away. Bring your asses!

Blue Skies
Derek The Badass

[councilman24 37]

Don't you know it's the second impact after the bounce that kills you?

GRAB THE GRASS, DON'T BOUNCE, AND YOUR FINE!!!

And no, a PLF isn't going to help. Big snow slop maybe. There have been a couple of people survive chuteless and with streamers but don't count on it.

Tip: Don't land head down and you still might have an open casket.

I'm old for my age.
Terry Urban
D-8631
FAA DPRE

[JohnMitchell 16]

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What about that guy on the millitary channel that fell out of his harness at 2500ft agl and lived to jump again?

What did he land in?

Like Terry said, I can think of only two who have survived a true freefall with no chute. Both involved going through trees and into deep snow on a steep slope.

[Niki1 1]

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You had NO canopy.

Im talking about a PERFECT PLF.

I have a buddy from the military and we were talking about it. He said he thinks its possible.. but not probable.

He was telling me that in the army they teach you how to PLF from like 15-20 foot walls. A PLF is designed to spread the impact evenly throughout the body, so you could take a 120 mph hit.

Thoughts?

The Army taught him that? Is that the same Army that said Iraq would be easy and over in just a few weeks?

And Counsilman24: It's been a long time since I heard the "Grab the grass" theory.

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