Hooknswoop 19 #1 July 18, 2005 I got a call from the FAA today. Seems someone filed a complaint against me because I beleive a Senior Parachute Rigger may alter a main parachute. In short, the FAA agreed with me and is taking no action. They had to address it since it was a formal complaint. I apologize to the Inspector for his time being wasted and explained that I have sent the FAA a request for a legal interpretation 9 months ago which will settle this issue once and for all. He gave me a persont to contact in D.C. to follow up on my request for a LI. Anyway, it was a pleasant call and that's the end of itDerek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #2 July 18, 2005 im not a rigger, but why the hell couldnt i alter my own main?. i beleive i should be able to alter it in any way i want. hahaha. come to think of it.. what the hell are they going to do to me if i do alter my own main?... take away my license to skydive? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #3 July 18, 2005 Quote im not a rigger, but why the hell couldnt i alter my own main?. i beleive i should be able to alter it in any way i want. You can, according to 65.111b. The complaint was a Senior Parachute Rigger couldn't alter someone else's main. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BETO74 0 #4 July 18, 2005 Alter in what way??? shortened the lines? shortened the stabilizer??? change to a removable slider ??? what's consider illegal???http://web.mac.com/ac057a/iWeb/AC057A/H0M3.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpwally 0 #5 July 18, 2005 Let me get this right,,someone filed a compliant because they believe that you believe you can alter a main!,,,,not that you DID alter a main?smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #6 July 18, 2005 QuoteI got a call from the FAA today. Seems someone filed a complaint against me because I beleive a Senior Parachute Rigger may alter a main parachute. In short, the FAA agreed with me and is taking no action. They had to address it since it was a formal complaint. I apologize to the Inspector for his time being wasted and explained that I have sent the FAA a request for a legal interpretation 9 months ago which will settle this issue once and for all. He gave me a persont to contact in D.C. to follow up on my request for a LI. Anyway, it was a pleasant call and that's the end of itDerek __________________________________ WOW! That's pretty knit-picky to me! My god, the guy couldn't look it up for himself and read it... he just fired-off a complaint to the FAA!? Un-real! I'm glad the conversation turned out to be a good one. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gemini 0 #7 July 18, 2005 That sucks D. Glad it turned out so well. Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #8 July 18, 2005 Actually.. there has been a long ongoing debate on here with at least one master rigger and lots of senior riggers about who is allowed to reline a canopy. I think this probally spun off from that thread.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #9 July 18, 2005 man if I want to jump a real bed sheet (I am not condoning this), BUT as long as I have a rigger pack my reserve it dosent matter? Maybe some of the riggers are fighting so they can create business for themselves? How about someone turn me in for putting slinks on my own main canopy?Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #10 July 18, 2005 QuoteQuote im not a rigger, but why the hell couldnt i alter my own main?. i beleive i should be able to alter it in any way i want. You can, according to 65.111b. The complaint was a Senior Parachute Rigger couldn't alter someone else's main. Derek i would honestly rather have a senior rigger modify my main with custom made hma lineset, then me do it myself. and if a senior rigger does it, i will just supervise! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nicknitro71 0 #11 July 18, 2005 Right on Derek! A Master Rigger who posts here sent me this because I am a senior rigger and I do alter main canopies (flame away).Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hooknswoop 19 #12 July 18, 2005 Send him back chp 28 and part 65.111, which are both dated later then chp 136. The funny part is the Inspector has delt with this before and agrees with me that you don't have to be a Master Rigger to alter a main canopy. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peterk 0 #13 July 19, 2005 I bet they wouldn't have cared unless you begged them to interpret some BS that you and the USPA love... Go tell the FAA to F-off, step away from the computer and FARs, and go jump sometime... Keep your laws off of my parachutes...--------------- Peter BASE - The Ultimate Victimless Crime Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hooknswoop 19 #14 July 19, 2005 Quote I bet they wouldn't have cared unless you begged them to interpret some BS that you and the USPA love... You misunderstand. They didn't care and the only reason the conversation even happened is because there was a formal complaint. He agreed that the FAA needs to issue a legal intrepretation and gave me another avenue to pursue that in order to put this issue to rest once and for all. He agreed that it is the FAA's responsibility to issue such a LI if requested to do so. QuoteGo tell the FAA to F-off I think that sort of thing would bring more scrunity from the FAA, something you clearly do not want, especially with the negative FAA attention that area of CO has already recieved. QuoteKeep your laws off of my parachutes... They aren'y my laws or your parachutes I am dealing with. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites councilman24 37 #15 July 19, 2005 This all depends on how you parse ALL the language of the appropriate parts. FAA employees DO NOT have a consensus on this. Neither does the industry. Hook has his opinion, others have theirs. IMHO reading ALL the language of the regulations DOES NOT answer the question. Hence the need for a legal interpretation. Hook is not the only one who has asked for an interpretation. In spite of Hook's assertions we DO NOT KNOW WHAT answer we will get either from an individual inspector or from headquarters. YMMV Chairman, PIA Rigging Committee And no, I can't get an answer any faster.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nicknitro71 0 #16 July 19, 2005 Derek, Was the complain filed by a Master rigger or a non-rigger? PM me if you feel it's not appropiate to answer here. ThanksMemento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marinho 0 #17 July 19, 2005 Derek, As a rigger on the field working on the skydiving industry 7 days a week, I can only say that I'm 100% with you. Law interpretations are quite a problem for a civilized society. Most of the interpretations are based on somebody interests! We all know how difficult is to gain experience as a senior rigger and our sport can olny have benefits if we allow ourselves to work and learn. My personnal opinion is that if you're a senior rigger, have the tools to perform the work and ckeck with the manufacturer how you "should perform the job", you are no different that somebody else that holds a higher license. I hope this incredible complaint ends just like a joke, because freedom of speech is allowed in this country! If that's the case, I also states that a senior rigger can repair/alter main canopies. Augusto D. Marinho Rigging Solutions, LLC Parachute Sales & ServiceGus Marinho Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nicknitro71 0 #18 July 19, 2005 Augusto, I wish more people were like you, seriously.Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hooknswoop 19 #19 July 19, 2005 QuoteI hope this incredible complaint ends just like a joke, because freedom of speech is allowed in this country! It has already ended. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ZigZagMarquis 9 #20 July 19, 2005 QuoteGo tell the FAA to F-off, step away from the computer and FARs, and go jump sometime... Keep your laws off of my parachutes... Too late. Their laws are already on our parachutes. Telling them to F-off is not a good thing to do. Understanding the laws and communicating on them intelligently and professionally is the only way to conduct ourselves. The last thing we want as skydivers is more FAA regulations! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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nicknitro71 0 #11 July 18, 2005 Right on Derek! A Master Rigger who posts here sent me this because I am a senior rigger and I do alter main canopies (flame away).Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #12 July 18, 2005 Send him back chp 28 and part 65.111, which are both dated later then chp 136. The funny part is the Inspector has delt with this before and agrees with me that you don't have to be a Master Rigger to alter a main canopy. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peterk 0 #13 July 19, 2005 I bet they wouldn't have cared unless you begged them to interpret some BS that you and the USPA love... Go tell the FAA to F-off, step away from the computer and FARs, and go jump sometime... Keep your laws off of my parachutes...--------------- Peter BASE - The Ultimate Victimless Crime Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #14 July 19, 2005 Quote I bet they wouldn't have cared unless you begged them to interpret some BS that you and the USPA love... You misunderstand. They didn't care and the only reason the conversation even happened is because there was a formal complaint. He agreed that the FAA needs to issue a legal intrepretation and gave me another avenue to pursue that in order to put this issue to rest once and for all. He agreed that it is the FAA's responsibility to issue such a LI if requested to do so. QuoteGo tell the FAA to F-off I think that sort of thing would bring more scrunity from the FAA, something you clearly do not want, especially with the negative FAA attention that area of CO has already recieved. QuoteKeep your laws off of my parachutes... They aren'y my laws or your parachutes I am dealing with. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #15 July 19, 2005 This all depends on how you parse ALL the language of the appropriate parts. FAA employees DO NOT have a consensus on this. Neither does the industry. Hook has his opinion, others have theirs. IMHO reading ALL the language of the regulations DOES NOT answer the question. Hence the need for a legal interpretation. Hook is not the only one who has asked for an interpretation. In spite of Hook's assertions we DO NOT KNOW WHAT answer we will get either from an individual inspector or from headquarters. YMMV Chairman, PIA Rigging Committee And no, I can't get an answer any faster.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicknitro71 0 #16 July 19, 2005 Derek, Was the complain filed by a Master rigger or a non-rigger? PM me if you feel it's not appropiate to answer here. ThanksMemento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marinho 0 #17 July 19, 2005 Derek, As a rigger on the field working on the skydiving industry 7 days a week, I can only say that I'm 100% with you. Law interpretations are quite a problem for a civilized society. Most of the interpretations are based on somebody interests! We all know how difficult is to gain experience as a senior rigger and our sport can olny have benefits if we allow ourselves to work and learn. My personnal opinion is that if you're a senior rigger, have the tools to perform the work and ckeck with the manufacturer how you "should perform the job", you are no different that somebody else that holds a higher license. I hope this incredible complaint ends just like a joke, because freedom of speech is allowed in this country! If that's the case, I also states that a senior rigger can repair/alter main canopies. Augusto D. Marinho Rigging Solutions, LLC Parachute Sales & ServiceGus Marinho Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicknitro71 0 #18 July 19, 2005 Augusto, I wish more people were like you, seriously.Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #19 July 19, 2005 QuoteI hope this incredible complaint ends just like a joke, because freedom of speech is allowed in this country! It has already ended. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #20 July 19, 2005 QuoteGo tell the FAA to F-off, step away from the computer and FARs, and go jump sometime... Keep your laws off of my parachutes... Too late. Their laws are already on our parachutes. Telling them to F-off is not a good thing to do. Understanding the laws and communicating on them intelligently and professionally is the only way to conduct ourselves. The last thing we want as skydivers is more FAA regulations! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
