javip82 0 #1 July 17, 2005 Even though I am relatively new to this sport my mentor taught me the old school way of packing, which is psycho packing. Many people look at me in strange ways when they see a twenty year-old packing the way the old-crew did it back in the 90’s. However, It was not until today when someone really caught my attention when he said “there is a reason why people do not psycho pack anymore”. He supported his statement by saying that psycho packing was only invented because no one really knew how to pack the square canopy’s at that time and that psycho packing gives you a 70% more chance of a having a malfunction than pro-packing does. I told him that psycho packing was they way I was taught and that until now it really worked for me. Finally, he ended the conversation by saying that this was because I use a bigger canopy and that with a high-performance canopy I would kill myself if I psycho pack. Is this true? Does anyone still psycho packs besides my friend and I? If I downsize do I have to learn how to pro pack? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popeyefireman 0 #2 July 17, 2005 I psycho pack my safire and love the opening. I pro pack my triathlon and the openings are great for that. I know quite a few guys that psycho pack and jump with them fairly regular, never seen a problem with any of their openings. I am not to sure of the history of psycho packing or it effects on HP canopies. "I Yam what I Yam" I am not afriad to die, only to die without living. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #3 July 17, 2005 I know lots of people who still psycho pack without issue. If what your friend told you was true, I seriously doubt Precision would recommend that their Xaos line of parachutes be packed this way. Click HERE for the story."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #4 July 18, 2005 A Psycho pack is basically a propack up to the flipping it upside down part. If you are refering to flat packing thats a different story all together.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #5 July 18, 2005 When someone I know had a tear in her canopy, some people said that it was because of psyco packing, made a higher chance of tearing faberic... I'm just stateing what someone once said to me, I dont understand how that could be true, or what, .. but whatever FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #6 July 18, 2005 As Phreezone said, I think you're confusing it with stack, or flat packing. If you are rolling the nose and tail both toward the center (not the center cell, but the center as in toward the C and B lines as it is layed on its side), then you should not continue to pack that way. That is also called the 'briefcase' style. Flat/stack packing can be done in a way that is OK, however. I still do it, and I know a multi time world champion that's been around 25 years and when he does pack for himself, still stack packs his stilleto, and does it faster than a pro-pack. Many riggers will also pack reserves in a stack pack method. edit - to answer your question, why did flat packing stop? Because you can do it in less space and because it involves less crawling aroung on the ground. Some will argue that it orients the canopy better, but I think there is little to no difference compared to a proper stack pack the way it is applied to reserves.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #7 July 18, 2005 Couldn't vote as I'm doing it and so are a few people that I know. I've never had a mal with my psycho packing and have on heading openings as well.Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krkeenan 0 #8 July 18, 2005 Psycho packing is not old (or not as old as you imply). Beezy will probably comment eventually with facts. But, I've been Psycho packing my Stiletto for a long time. It's faster and easier than Pro packing, and opens fine. Kevin K====================== Seasons don't fear the Reaper, nor do the Wind, the Sun, or the Rain... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #9 July 18, 2005 I could not vote in your poll. I psycho pack my Samurai. and my Axon. I used to Do it to my Triathalon and to the PISA Conquest( the ONLY way to make that sucker actually open soft enough to be comfortable. I do have to admit that I do pay for packers at boogies.. and they usually pro pack.. but I do have them roll the shit out of the canopy just to make my openings more snively.... and yes it seems to work. Oh yes.. forgot to add Both of my mains are relatively new.. and MAN is it easier to bag em with the slippery as snot ZP fabric when I do my psychotic trashpack Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #10 July 18, 2005 QuoteEven though I am relatively new to this sport my mentor taught me the old school way of packing, which is psycho packing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hah! Hah! I flat-packed, factory-packed and trash-packed for 15 years before psycho-packing was invented. Psycho-packing is just a minor variation on pro-packing. I psycho-packed for a while, but quit after a couple of line-over malfunctions. Now I use my own variation on pro-packing that keeps better control of my steering lines. Your buddy - who trash talks psycho-packing - will find that his peripheral vision improves remarkably when he extracts his cranium from his rectum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NWPoul 1 #11 July 18, 2005 Quote ...Now I use my own variation on pro-packing that keeps better control of my steering lines. Could you share it?Why drink and drive, if you can smoke and fly? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites javip82 0 #12 July 18, 2005 Yes, can you share it. ____________________________________ You know what's out there. Take it, it's your's INMORTALITY!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rendezvous 0 #13 July 18, 2005 I think you are talking about stack/flat packs. Pro pack and Pyscho pack involve the same steps upto the point where the canopy is dressed into a cocoon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brettpobastad 0 #14 July 19, 2005 We may be simply mixing up terminology. For clarification: Factory Pack, Stack Pack, Flat Pack -You lay the canopy on it's side and stack line groups on top of the previous group. Then you evenly flake the tail. Pro Pack, Psycho Pack, Trash Pack -set th prakes first, stand while flaking the canopy symetrically. Roll Pack, Flop Pack -Start with the canopy on it's side like a stack pack. Roll the nose and tail toward the center. Might your 'old school' buddy be refering to a 'Roll Pack'?"It's only arrogance if you can't back it up" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ZigZagMarquis 9 #15 July 19, 2005 QuoteEven though I am relatively new to this sport my mentor taught me the old school way of packing, which is psycho packing. Many people look at me in strange ways when they see a twenty year-old packing the way the old-crew did it back in the 90’s. However, It was not until today when someone really caught my attention when he said “there is a reason why people do not psycho pack anymore”. He supported his statement by saying that psycho packing was only invented because no one really knew how to pack the square canopy’s at that time and that psycho packing gives you a 70% more chance of a having a malfunction than pro-packing does. I told him that psycho packing was they way I was taught and that until now it really worked for me. Finally, he ended the conversation by saying that this was because I use a bigger canopy and that with a high-performance canopy I would kill myself if I psycho pack. Is this true? Does anyone still psycho packs besides my friend and I? If I downsize do I have to learn how to pro pack? LOL!!!! Sorry... Anyway, I know lots of folk who psycho pack... personally, I don't... because I learned to Pro-Pack ZP before the psycho pack came along. If you really want to see some "old school"... find yourself a big F111 PD or Falcon, hook it up, and find someone to show you how to "roll pack" or "stack pack" it. Dunno who told you "...psycho packing was only invented because no one really knew how to pack the square canopy’s...", "...psycho packing gives you a 70% more chance of a having a malfunction...", and "...and that with a high-performance canopy I would kill myself if I psycho pack...", but I'd encourage you to just smile and nod when they talk and hopefully they'll go away sooner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Elisha 1 #16 July 19, 2005 Since Precision claims to have coined it and calls it a "Precision Pack", why does everyone call it a Psycho Pack? Why is it so "Psycho"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites metalslug 36 #17 July 19, 2005 The 'psycho packing' that was explained to me should perhaps rather be called 'psycho bagging' because it's the same as a pro-pack up until the stage where one would roll the tail. It was also suggested to me that the disadvantage of psycho packing is that it creates more wear and friction on the canopy over time. A psycho pack is rolled from the wide end of the 'cone' and so the bridle ends up protruding out the side of the rolled cone rather than out of the center of an S-folded cone. The tension on the bridle that extracts the canopy from the bag during deployment therefore occurs at an unusual angle and this can potentialy cause more wear and friction on a canopy than an S-fold would. Anyone else heard something similar to this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ZigZagMarquis 9 #18 July 19, 2005 Elisha, metalslug, I think its more basic than that... as in, "You'd have to be Psycho to pack that way!" Anyway, like I said, I don't Psycho pack, but I know many that do. It works... so does Pro-Packing, Trash packing and I've even seen Stilettos side packed and that works too... *shrugs* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Elisha 1 #19 July 19, 2005 So what is a Trash pack then? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ZigZagMarquis 9 #20 July 19, 2005 QuoteSo what is a Trash pack then? Stow the breaks. Put the canopy over your sholder like you're going to Pro-pack. Gather the nose, shake it out, shove it in the middle. Quarter the slider. Wrap the tail around it all. Put it on the floor. Bag it. Jump it. Repeat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MrBrant 0 #21 July 20, 2005 Shouldn't you also clear your stabilizers? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masher 1 #22 July 20, 2005 QuoteShouldn't you also clear your stabilizers? That's why it's called a trashpack...-- Arching is overrated - Marlies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MrBrant 0 #23 July 20, 2005 humm, i thought the trashpack was simply that you didn't flake the inside of the canopy. I thought you were always supposed to clear the stabilizers to prevent line burns..?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #24 July 20, 2005 Quotehumm, i thought the trashpack was simply that you didn't flake the inside of the canopy. I thought you were always supposed to clear the stabilizers to prevent line burns..?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... only if you are ambitious ... ... but if you are ambitious, you pack neater than trash-packing. 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riggerrob 643 #10 July 18, 2005 QuoteEven though I am relatively new to this sport my mentor taught me the old school way of packing, which is psycho packing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hah! Hah! I flat-packed, factory-packed and trash-packed for 15 years before psycho-packing was invented. Psycho-packing is just a minor variation on pro-packing. I psycho-packed for a while, but quit after a couple of line-over malfunctions. Now I use my own variation on pro-packing that keeps better control of my steering lines. Your buddy - who trash talks psycho-packing - will find that his peripheral vision improves remarkably when he extracts his cranium from his rectum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NWPoul 1 #11 July 18, 2005 Quote ...Now I use my own variation on pro-packing that keeps better control of my steering lines. Could you share it?Why drink and drive, if you can smoke and fly? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites javip82 0 #12 July 18, 2005 Yes, can you share it. ____________________________________ You know what's out there. Take it, it's your's INMORTALITY!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rendezvous 0 #13 July 18, 2005 I think you are talking about stack/flat packs. Pro pack and Pyscho pack involve the same steps upto the point where the canopy is dressed into a cocoon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brettpobastad 0 #14 July 19, 2005 We may be simply mixing up terminology. For clarification: Factory Pack, Stack Pack, Flat Pack -You lay the canopy on it's side and stack line groups on top of the previous group. Then you evenly flake the tail. Pro Pack, Psycho Pack, Trash Pack -set th prakes first, stand while flaking the canopy symetrically. Roll Pack, Flop Pack -Start with the canopy on it's side like a stack pack. Roll the nose and tail toward the center. Might your 'old school' buddy be refering to a 'Roll Pack'?"It's only arrogance if you can't back it up" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ZigZagMarquis 9 #15 July 19, 2005 QuoteEven though I am relatively new to this sport my mentor taught me the old school way of packing, which is psycho packing. Many people look at me in strange ways when they see a twenty year-old packing the way the old-crew did it back in the 90’s. However, It was not until today when someone really caught my attention when he said “there is a reason why people do not psycho pack anymore”. He supported his statement by saying that psycho packing was only invented because no one really knew how to pack the square canopy’s at that time and that psycho packing gives you a 70% more chance of a having a malfunction than pro-packing does. I told him that psycho packing was they way I was taught and that until now it really worked for me. Finally, he ended the conversation by saying that this was because I use a bigger canopy and that with a high-performance canopy I would kill myself if I psycho pack. Is this true? Does anyone still psycho packs besides my friend and I? If I downsize do I have to learn how to pro pack? LOL!!!! Sorry... Anyway, I know lots of folk who psycho pack... personally, I don't... because I learned to Pro-Pack ZP before the psycho pack came along. If you really want to see some "old school"... find yourself a big F111 PD or Falcon, hook it up, and find someone to show you how to "roll pack" or "stack pack" it. Dunno who told you "...psycho packing was only invented because no one really knew how to pack the square canopy’s...", "...psycho packing gives you a 70% more chance of a having a malfunction...", and "...and that with a high-performance canopy I would kill myself if I psycho pack...", but I'd encourage you to just smile and nod when they talk and hopefully they'll go away sooner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Elisha 1 #16 July 19, 2005 Since Precision claims to have coined it and calls it a "Precision Pack", why does everyone call it a Psycho Pack? Why is it so "Psycho"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites metalslug 36 #17 July 19, 2005 The 'psycho packing' that was explained to me should perhaps rather be called 'psycho bagging' because it's the same as a pro-pack up until the stage where one would roll the tail. It was also suggested to me that the disadvantage of psycho packing is that it creates more wear and friction on the canopy over time. A psycho pack is rolled from the wide end of the 'cone' and so the bridle ends up protruding out the side of the rolled cone rather than out of the center of an S-folded cone. The tension on the bridle that extracts the canopy from the bag during deployment therefore occurs at an unusual angle and this can potentialy cause more wear and friction on a canopy than an S-fold would. Anyone else heard something similar to this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ZigZagMarquis 9 #18 July 19, 2005 Elisha, metalslug, I think its more basic than that... as in, "You'd have to be Psycho to pack that way!" Anyway, like I said, I don't Psycho pack, but I know many that do. It works... so does Pro-Packing, Trash packing and I've even seen Stilettos side packed and that works too... *shrugs* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Elisha 1 #19 July 19, 2005 So what is a Trash pack then? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ZigZagMarquis 9 #20 July 19, 2005 QuoteSo what is a Trash pack then? Stow the breaks. Put the canopy over your sholder like you're going to Pro-pack. Gather the nose, shake it out, shove it in the middle. Quarter the slider. Wrap the tail around it all. Put it on the floor. Bag it. Jump it. Repeat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MrBrant 0 #21 July 20, 2005 Shouldn't you also clear your stabilizers? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masher 1 #22 July 20, 2005 QuoteShouldn't you also clear your stabilizers? That's why it's called a trashpack...-- Arching is overrated - Marlies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MrBrant 0 #23 July 20, 2005 humm, i thought the trashpack was simply that you didn't flake the inside of the canopy. I thought you were always supposed to clear the stabilizers to prevent line burns..?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #24 July 20, 2005 Quotehumm, i thought the trashpack was simply that you didn't flake the inside of the canopy. I thought you were always supposed to clear the stabilizers to prevent line burns..?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... only if you are ambitious ... ... but if you are ambitious, you pack neater than trash-packing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ZigZagMarquis 9 #25 July 20, 2005 QuoteShouldn't you also clear your stabilizers? Again... that's why they call it a trash pack... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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NWPoul 1 #11 July 18, 2005 Quote ...Now I use my own variation on pro-packing that keeps better control of my steering lines. Could you share it?Why drink and drive, if you can smoke and fly? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
javip82 0 #12 July 18, 2005 Yes, can you share it. ____________________________________ You know what's out there. Take it, it's your's INMORTALITY!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rendezvous 0 #13 July 18, 2005 I think you are talking about stack/flat packs. Pro pack and Pyscho pack involve the same steps upto the point where the canopy is dressed into a cocoon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brettpobastad 0 #14 July 19, 2005 We may be simply mixing up terminology. For clarification: Factory Pack, Stack Pack, Flat Pack -You lay the canopy on it's side and stack line groups on top of the previous group. Then you evenly flake the tail. Pro Pack, Psycho Pack, Trash Pack -set th prakes first, stand while flaking the canopy symetrically. Roll Pack, Flop Pack -Start with the canopy on it's side like a stack pack. Roll the nose and tail toward the center. Might your 'old school' buddy be refering to a 'Roll Pack'?"It's only arrogance if you can't back it up" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #15 July 19, 2005 QuoteEven though I am relatively new to this sport my mentor taught me the old school way of packing, which is psycho packing. Many people look at me in strange ways when they see a twenty year-old packing the way the old-crew did it back in the 90’s. However, It was not until today when someone really caught my attention when he said “there is a reason why people do not psycho pack anymore”. He supported his statement by saying that psycho packing was only invented because no one really knew how to pack the square canopy’s at that time and that psycho packing gives you a 70% more chance of a having a malfunction than pro-packing does. I told him that psycho packing was they way I was taught and that until now it really worked for me. Finally, he ended the conversation by saying that this was because I use a bigger canopy and that with a high-performance canopy I would kill myself if I psycho pack. Is this true? Does anyone still psycho packs besides my friend and I? If I downsize do I have to learn how to pro pack? LOL!!!! Sorry... Anyway, I know lots of folk who psycho pack... personally, I don't... because I learned to Pro-Pack ZP before the psycho pack came along. If you really want to see some "old school"... find yourself a big F111 PD or Falcon, hook it up, and find someone to show you how to "roll pack" or "stack pack" it. Dunno who told you "...psycho packing was only invented because no one really knew how to pack the square canopy’s...", "...psycho packing gives you a 70% more chance of a having a malfunction...", and "...and that with a high-performance canopy I would kill myself if I psycho pack...", but I'd encourage you to just smile and nod when they talk and hopefully they'll go away sooner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #16 July 19, 2005 Since Precision claims to have coined it and calls it a "Precision Pack", why does everyone call it a Psycho Pack? Why is it so "Psycho"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
metalslug 36 #17 July 19, 2005 The 'psycho packing' that was explained to me should perhaps rather be called 'psycho bagging' because it's the same as a pro-pack up until the stage where one would roll the tail. It was also suggested to me that the disadvantage of psycho packing is that it creates more wear and friction on the canopy over time. A psycho pack is rolled from the wide end of the 'cone' and so the bridle ends up protruding out the side of the rolled cone rather than out of the center of an S-folded cone. The tension on the bridle that extracts the canopy from the bag during deployment therefore occurs at an unusual angle and this can potentialy cause more wear and friction on a canopy than an S-fold would. Anyone else heard something similar to this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #18 July 19, 2005 Elisha, metalslug, I think its more basic than that... as in, "You'd have to be Psycho to pack that way!" Anyway, like I said, I don't Psycho pack, but I know many that do. It works... so does Pro-Packing, Trash packing and I've even seen Stilettos side packed and that works too... *shrugs* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #19 July 19, 2005 So what is a Trash pack then? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #20 July 19, 2005 QuoteSo what is a Trash pack then? Stow the breaks. Put the canopy over your sholder like you're going to Pro-pack. Gather the nose, shake it out, shove it in the middle. Quarter the slider. Wrap the tail around it all. Put it on the floor. Bag it. Jump it. Repeat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrBrant 0 #21 July 20, 2005 Shouldn't you also clear your stabilizers? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masher 1 #22 July 20, 2005 QuoteShouldn't you also clear your stabilizers? That's why it's called a trashpack...-- Arching is overrated - Marlies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrBrant 0 #23 July 20, 2005 humm, i thought the trashpack was simply that you didn't flake the inside of the canopy. I thought you were always supposed to clear the stabilizers to prevent line burns..?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #24 July 20, 2005 Quotehumm, i thought the trashpack was simply that you didn't flake the inside of the canopy. I thought you were always supposed to clear the stabilizers to prevent line burns..?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... only if you are ambitious ... ... but if you are ambitious, you pack neater than trash-packing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #25 July 20, 2005 QuoteShouldn't you also clear your stabilizers? Again... that's why they call it a trash pack... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
