BlindBrick 0 #1 July 2, 2005 I'm trying out a demo canopy for the enxt tow weeks and it came shuipped on modern RWS minirisers. While I know that the modern version is much stronger, I'm a big guy and since I don't have a Collins Lanyard, I'm debating on whether or not to hook up my RSL. I'd appreciate anyinput from manufacteurs or people who've had some experince wiht both. thanks, -Blind"If you end up in an alligator's jaws, naked, you probably did something to deserve it." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #2 July 2, 2005 There hasn't been a case (as far as I know) of a mini riser failing for quite some time. The last time was many years ago at Elsinore, maybe ten years ago. The newer ones are reinforced and seem to be alright. The Integrity types are even better. (The ones without the grommet in the bottom of the riser). However, comfort level counts for a lot, so if it's important to you there are Type 8 risers with small rings that you, or a rigger, can install on the canopy . . . As for the RSL thing, even without weight issues that's a decision you have to make for yourself. Bill Booth of the RWS in on this board. PM him with your particulars and he should be able to better answer your questions. NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #3 July 2, 2005 I'm 240 and have never had a problem with type 17 risers.Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #4 July 2, 2005 yes hook it up TK 275lbs out the door with a Vengeance 135 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #5 July 3, 2005 You can hook up your own risers fairly quickly with the help of a rigger. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livenletfly 0 #6 July 3, 2005 whats the canopy and w/l?> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #7 July 3, 2005 QuoteThere hasn't been a case (as far as I know) of a mini riser failing for quite some time. The last time was many years ago at Elsinore, maybe ten years ago. Definitely not true. There was one a few months ago in Ohio, and another that made the incidents forum a few weeks ago, I believe. They still fail often enough that a lot of very respected people recommend that mini risers be replaced every line set or 500 jumps, or whatever number. I like the idea of a load limiter in the main canopy system, but the use of the existing mini riser design is not a good idea. How do you know how many relatively hard openings matter in what should be the lifetime of a set of risers? If I have a few hard openings, should I take off 100 jumps of 'riser life'? I am a fan of the old standard size risers and rings, if you know that gravity has more hold on you than most, there are a bunch of good reasons to use the std setup.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #8 July 3, 2005 I actually meant to write, "That killed someone." NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #9 July 3, 2005 Quotebut the use of the existing mini riser design is not a good idea.Why? Would you rather the harness fail? All risers require inspection, maintenance and replacement.Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redramdriver 0 #10 July 3, 2005 Not an expert, just some advice that Mo Valetto and my DZO passed on to me one day...Big Guys get Mini NOTHING. And, I'm a big guy. So without saying, regualar size stuff for me.So, you bring your beer? Its 5 o'clock somewhere POPS #9344 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,483 #11 July 3, 2005 QuoteBig Guys get Mini NOTHING. AWESOME advice.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #12 July 3, 2005 QuoteQuotebut the use of the existing mini riser design is not a good idea.Why? Would you rather the harness fail? All risers require inspection, maintenance and replacement. Of course I don't want the harness to fail, but I think the mini riser was never designed to serve the purpose of a force limiter and is a poor choice to inherit that role. It also has a big impact on the use of an RSL, as te original poster asked. I Think there is no way that a heavy person should use an mini-riser & RSL that can be activated when one riser breaks.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #13 July 3, 2005 QuoteI think the mini riser was never designed to serve the purpose of a force limiter and is a poor choice to inherit that role.Not only was it designed for that purpose but it has been a time proven design accepted and used by all of the top container manufactures. Also, it is the most common risers used by skydivers.QuoteIt also has a big impact on the use of an RSL, as te original poster asked.That is true of all risers. Where we typically see failure in risers is the result of lack of inspection, damage or wear prior to the jump. In fact, the last failed set of riser that I saw last week (Type 8) were ten years old and had over 500 jumps and visually you could see that they needed to be replaced. If I were to make any reccomandation it would be to become an educated skydiver and learn how to inspect and proplerly maintain your gear. This will save far more people.Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #14 July 4, 2005 Do you have a checklist of things to look for when inspecting risers for wear? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #15 July 4, 2005 QuoteDo you have a checklist of things to look for when inspecting risers for wear? Look HERE And HERE, pages 65-75 I would also suggest that you look for the same in the owner's manual of your rig. Also ask your rigger to go over it with you.Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #16 July 4, 2005 QuoteLook HERE Yes, I'd seen that. It has a lot to do with proper 3-ring construction and very little to do with inspecting risers for wear . QuoteAnd HERE, pages 65-75 Again, that deals primarily with assembly of the 3-ring system. There's some more inspection-related info on pages 74 & 75. However, apart from ensuring the white loop isn't frayed, there's no real info to help me determine when a set of risers should be replaced. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #17 July 4, 2005 QuoteYes, I'd seen that. It has a lot to do with proper 3-ring construction and very little to do with inspecting risers for wear .Really? So if any part of the riser was pulled out of spec. this would not be useful information on knowing what it should be and what to look for?QuoteAgain, that deals primarily with assembly of the 3-ring system. There's some more inspection-related info on pages 74 & 75. However, apart from ensuring the white loop isn't frayed, there's no real info to help me determine when a set of risers should be replaced.What about the part relating to looking for nicks in the rings, grommet and webbing? Also checking the sewing for loose threads? If you have any doubts ask your rigger to look at them.Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlindBrick 0 #18 July 4, 2005 Quotewhats the canopy and w/l? Sabre 2 260 loaded at ~1.25 -Blind"If you end up in an alligator's jaws, naked, you probably did something to deserve it." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #19 July 5, 2005 So let me get this straight, you're considering un-hooking your RSL because you're not sure if mini risers will survive the jumps you will put on them. Thats pretty fucked up. What you want to do in skydiving is surround yourself with layers of safety, so if one peels away, you have another to fall back on. Use an audible altimeter along with a wrist mount, and while you're at it, work on developing your sight picture for 4000ft ish. See how that works? Ask a qualified jumper (there are many out there) to help you remove the nice risers that PD sent you, and replace them with a set of standard risers. Continue to use your RSL as usual. If you ever have any doubts about the capabilities of your equipment, have it repaired or replaced before jumping again. Do not remove additional safety devices in an attempt to 'fix' it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouYoung 0 #20 July 5, 2005 Check this old thread. I was surprised to find out what the weight rating is for mini-risers. I'm surprised they would even ship a 260 with mini's. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1041580#1041580 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
