freefalljason 0 #51 December 11, 2009 Hey Billy, It sounds like what you did is fine. No need for conduit. You just need to make sure the boxes that you used to splice the wires are accessiable when you finish the drywall. eg,. the opening should be facing "down" and a cover installed after the drywall is complete. Hope this helps. Blue Skies, Jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misternatural 0 #52 December 11, 2009 What most of us are saying is that romex should be behind drywall stapled to the framing every four feet and six inches from any box. And indoor zip chord (supplied with lamps) should be surface mounted and all plugs plugged into an exposed outlets properly wired inside of a flush mounted outlet box with a cover. All wire connections need to be inside of accessible UL junction, fixture, or outlet boxes with covers. No connections (not in a box) or zip chord shall be behind drywall Romex shall not be in conduit. we'll get this solved safe and working for ya one way or another buddy.add- My comment on conduit was just anecdotal and not related to your job- and explosion proofing was just me being a wizeasssee picture Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DiverMike 5 #53 December 11, 2009 Quote No connections (not in a box) or zip chord shall be behind drywall You have to do what was mentioned in a previous post and put a switched outlet in, then plug those under counter lights into them making sure you don't bury any of the zip chord behind the drywall. I thought you might be able to put the zip chord in conduit (depending on your local building codes) but it appears you cannot. For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misternatural 0 #54 December 11, 2009 >You have to do what was mentioned in a previous post and put a switched outlet in, then plug those under counter lights into them making sure you don't bury any of the zip chord behind the drywall. yep- plug in is how those lights are designed as per my official suggestion earlier. but Billy wants those suckah's recessed. As long as they are made to be screwed onto a standard ceiling box like a standard light fixture then it is possible to wire them inside of a box as per the drawing BUT Zip chord really is not designed to be connected in a box either however the insulation on most standard fixtures you buy in the hardware store is not any better. IF they are not designed to screw directly onto a UL box then he must use the surface plugs and can hide the wires surface mounted behind a trim board like on a standard kitchen shelf as long as they are not enclosed in any way. that is how shelf lamps are designed to be used anyway. The wiring method I submitted is for standard box mounted fixtures if that is in fact what they are. Billy- what's the make and model of those things, or where did you buy them maybe we can pull them up on the screen.?Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #55 December 11, 2009 Quote> Billy- what's the make and model of those things, or where did you buy them maybe we can pull them up on the screen.? Bought the set of five in one package at Home Depot. Hampton Bay 5-Light Xenon Task and Accent Light Kit, with 20-watt G8 Bulbs"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkycndo 0 #56 December 11, 2009 Only BV could buy a set of lights and get this much concern on preventing him from setting himself on fire. Probably because he has proven himself to be most likely to injure himself on a home improvement project. 50 donations so far. Give it a try. You know you want to spank it Jump an Infinity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #57 December 11, 2009 Those are not rated to be recessed, only surface mounted. Xenon lights have a really high heat output for their fixtures and I would not recommend trying to recess them at all due to the high possibility of heat build up in any surface they are mounted in. The correct method of installing them was to run them on the surface and tack the cable to the inside of the trim so it was not exposed.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #58 December 11, 2009 Quote Those are not rated to be recessed, only surface mounted. Xenon lights have a really high heat output for their fixtures and I would not recommend trying to recess them at all due to the high possibility of heat build up in any surface they are mounted in. The correct method of installing them was to run them on the surface and tack the cable to the inside of the trim so it was not exposed. Well then why does the packaging and instructions show that they can be recessed? Hardware was even included to make them recessed. I agree they put out a lot of heat, but only on the face (I checked), but this is for a closet. If you spend more than half an hour in there, something's wrong with you. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #59 December 11, 2009 Schlitz...flammable bug spray...BV...never a good combination. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkycndo 0 #60 December 11, 2009 The "recessed" feature is normally through the top of an upper cabinet not completely set against the ceiling. The wiring is sitting on top exposed and plugged into a receptacle out of view above the cabinet. The heat just dissipates out over the top of the cabinet.50 donations so far. Give it a try. You know you want to spank it Jump an Infinity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misternatural 0 #61 December 11, 2009 Yeah I concur, that bites- you have to surface mount those suckahs But at least it's quittin' time....Ahhh- nothing like cracking open a can of Shlitz & firein' up the bug spray torch.Have a safe and fire department free weekend everybody Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DavidB 0 #62 December 12, 2009 Quote If you spend more than half an hour in there, something's wrong with you. Unless of course, you FORGET & leave the lights on for 8, 10, 36 hours... I agree with those saying, "... those are not the correct lights for this application." Sorry.When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #63 December 12, 2009 Yep, down lighting on the top of cabinets to light up the glass doors and stuff, not rated to be recessed inside a closet wall with drywall surrounding it. I've violated code a few times wiring items in the past but I've since wised up and when in doubt consult someone about the code for safety reasons.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkycndo 0 #64 December 12, 2009 I get calls all the time asking "is this legal?" If you want some "light" reading, try this out.50 donations so far. Give it a try. You know you want to spank it Jump an Infinity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydveraz 0 #65 December 12, 2009 Quote I get calls all the time asking "is this legal?" If you want some "light" reading, try this out. Just read the whole thing. Nothing in there about the amp rating of aluminum foil and pennies as a fuse replacement. They need a new chapter!Arizona only has two seasons, Hot and HOTTER! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkycndo 0 #66 December 12, 2009 Quote Just read the whole thing. Nothing in there about the amp rating of aluminum foil and pennies as a fuse replacement. They need a new chapter! Once had a customer come in that was having problems with his old fuse box. He was holding a fuse that had a penny stuck/welded to the end of it. He wanted to know if that was ok. I stifled a laugh and said no. After I described all the problems that could come from what he had, he asked for a recommendation of an electrician to upgrade to a new breaker panel. He came back later that day and gave me three more pennies.50 donations so far. Give it a try. You know you want to spank it Jump an Infinity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #67 December 14, 2009 Finished installing the drywall soffit, and wrapped each fixture in double layers of electrical tape. Yeah, I know the picture quality sucks, but it's a cell phone camera. Don't like it, bite me. I have left the lights on for 6 hours now, and no problems. Will be taping the joints and doing mudwork next."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefallfreak 0 #68 December 14, 2009 Can anyone here spell "FIRE? TripleF "Upon seeing the shadow of a pigeon, one must resist the urge to look up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
