A Tribute to Private Pyle (Not Jim Nabors) . . .

[NickDG 23]

You're right . .

I went to "A" school for photography. Wash out and it was straight to being a grunt, and all that came with that . . .

(Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

NickD

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Yes, yes, because that's what a country needs, people that will just follow orders.

No. Actually, no. It's interesting how many questions I was taugh to ask. Yes, there was plenty of drill (which is called operant conditioning - the same kinda thing as practicing you EP's in skydiving. Why the hell would someone want to be some mindless drone reacting to a situation and doing what was told instead of actually thinking through a situaSPLAT!!!)

There are good reasons for brainwashing people to take out thought and make it a reaction. Guess what the brainwashing does? Yes. It may save your life.


[Reply] You WILL do what you're told.

[jonstark 8]

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Semper Fi back to you, brother!

NickD

I had a DZ near Savannah, Georgia from 76 to 80. We had a LOT of Marines from Beaufort as students. Most had gone thru basic at PI. All were excellent students bar none. I often envied their esprit de Corps. I never felt as though I could understand it without having been thru basic. Full Metal Jacket was a glimpse and only a glimpse of what went on at the time. You cannot portray sand gnats, the heat, the mosquitoes, the agony and fatigue that my students reveled in telling us candy-assed hippys about. If you told a Marine static-line student to exit with their chest out and head high they would do it and look you in the eye while they were doing it to make sure you were watching. That same student might land off in the soy fields and come out with a rattlesnake just as jazzed about the snake as his first jump. Thank you guys for those memories and for being there when the chips are down.

jon

[NickDG 23]

When I worked for Frank Mott up in Ramona many of our FJC students were Camp Pendleton Marines so I know what you mean. Easiest students to teach ever. None of that, "Why," or "how come," and, "Gee, I'm not sure about this?" And when they creamed in under those T-10s there was never a whimper . . . just big smiles!

When I went down to Otay Lakes after that and taught mostly civilians I had to wonder if they were even the same species. I never heard such whining and sniveling.

NickD

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When I worked for Frank Mott up in Ramona many of our FJC students were Camp Pendleton Marines so I know what you mean. Easiest students to teach ever. None of that, "Why," or "how come," and, "Gee, I'm not sure about this?" And when they creamed in under those T-10s there was never a whimper . . . just big smiles!

When I went down to Otay Lakes after that and taught mostly civilians I had to wonder if they were even the same species. I never heard such whining and sniveling.

NickD

I started at Otay, square main, round reserves, so Teh JM were Damn good at spotting that pacth of ground, (constant winds do make that easier) ...woudl have loved to been around there in the Round days...But then I would only have more limps!

[NickDG 23]

>> ...woudl have loved to been around there in the Round days...But then I would only have more limps!
That's my story. I used to walk like John Travolta in the beginning of "Saturday Night Fever" now I walk like Elmer Fudd.

You were lucky . . .

NickD

[NickDG 23]

"War? What war? The Marine Corps is at war. The rest of America is at the mall."

I see that written all over the internet. But it makes no never mind to Marines.

Something all Marines learn, past, present & future, is Marines die. That's what we do. But as long as there's a Marine Corps, we all live forever.

I've never forgotten that.

So turn up your speakers - you guys back on the block. And pay attention to this:

We are not your politicians and we are not your ambassadors. Nor are we Professor Quade's college class. We are stone cold killers. And like you put your faith in us, we put our faith in you. So be careful American. Be careful where, and on what, you unleash us . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwjHhJdhY0I&feature=player_embedded#

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06nIz4scvI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoMv-WAXxPs&feature=related

I'm so proud of our current Marines slugging it out in that shitbox over there. It brings fucking tears to my eyes . . Oh rah Brothers . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b1BT-LDno0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq0Yl6bpCm8&feature=related

NickD 1st Mar Div
1971-1975

[NickDG 23]

Oh, and Quade, if this is brainwashing, then you can kiss my gray and gold ass.

Let's see your students do this . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y90UPLLo6nY

NickD

[quade 4]

And that's totally cool. It also has ZERO with fighting a war and ZERO to do with boot camp.

We were talking about boot camp. You had mentioned the movie "Full Metal Jacket" which takes place during boot camp. You were talking about a "tribute" to a recruit depicted in the movie and had linked a web site showing how he was being verbally abused by a Drill Instructor at boot camp. At a point in the movie, that recruit, because of the DI's abuse, goes insane and kills the DI then takes his own life. You said you're own experience, in BOOT CAMP was even worse. You said that, in BOOT CAMP you had participated in a group of recruits beating up another individual because he had not performed well.

Can you explain in rational terms under what other circumstances you've ever participated in an illegal activity expected of you by members in authority? If, for instance, had your church minister asked you and another group of boys to beat somebody up, would you have done so?

Nick, with all respect and trust me I have quite a bit for you and everyone that has ever served, it's brainwashing pure and simple. During that period you were willing to do things you absolutely would not have done otherwise simply because somebody in authority told you to. If that's not brainwashing, I don't know what is.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[NickDG 23]

I'm not a smart guy. In fact the one regret of my life is I didn't pursue an academic career. I think I would have been a good smarty pants. The whole point is I won't stand by and let you call ten's of thousands dead Marines brainwashed . . .

NickD

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And that's totally cool. It also has ZERO with fighting a war and ZERO to do with boot camp.

I would respectfully argue the contrary. that sort of precision, discipline, attention to detail and team work has EVERYTHING to do with fighting a war and one of the objectives of boot camp is to get soldiers performing and thinking as a team and unit.

The drill squads perform a similar function to KATAS in martial arts. in and of themselves they my not be combat moves but the skills learned most certainly do lend themselves to combats arts

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?

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The drill squads perform a similar function to KATAS in martial arts.

Really? You think a platoon of marines wearing dress uniforms twirls M1s with shiny bayonets as they march through downtown Baghdad?

Ok, that's fuckin' hilarious.

The drill squad's function is morale and recruitment same as the Blue Angles or Golden Knights.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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The drill squads perform a similar function to KATAS in martial arts.

Really? You think a platoon of marines wearing dress uniforms twirls M1s with shiny bayonets as they march through downtown Baghdad?

Ok, that's fuckin' hilarious.

The drill squad's function is morale and recruitment same as the Blue Angles or Golden Knights.

Are you seriously going to go down THAT line of reasoning

you seriously think i am refering to the Dress performance, if that is the case you are not even close to as bright as i thought you were

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?

[quade 4]

Just admit it has nothing to do with combat . . . to say it does is just silly.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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Just admit it has nothing to do with combat . . . to say it does is just silly.

So team work, discipline, timing, tool skill & manipulation, have nothing to do with the fighting arts.

OK, i will now bow out of this thread....

Never argue with an................

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?

[quade 4]

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So team work, discipline, timing, tool skill & manipulation, have nothing to do with the fighting arts.

What you're seeing the Drill Team do is nothing different than what the Rockettes do and the Rockettes can kick higher. I wonder why the Marines don't just hire the Rockettes to fight for them?

Oh yeah, because it has nothing to do with combat.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[NickDG 23]

Quade, I'll acquiesce to your intelligence, but it might help to recall that almost ever insurrection started with killing off all the professors. But don't worry, they'll have to get though a lot of pissed off high school graduates before they get to you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-xiX7A2LPE&feature=related

NickD

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So team work, discipline, timing, tool skill & manipulation, have nothing to do with the fighting arts.

What you're seeing the Drill Team do is nothing different than what the Rockettes do and the Rockettes can kick higher. I wonder why the Marines don't just hire the Rockettes to fight for them?

Oh yeah, because it has nothing to do with combat.

Again you refer to the Drill performance and ignore the requisite skills behind it.

Dude unless you are actually trying to bait someone into calling you a moron, i find it incredibly difficult to see how a seemingly intelligent person can follow your line of reasoning

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?

[quade 4]

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Again you refer to the Drill performance and ignore the requisite skills behind it.

Nick is the one that brought the Drill Team into this. I didn't. I can guarantee you that it would be possible to hire 20 dancers in Los Angeles and have them trained to do that exact performance in just a few of weeks of rehearsal. It has nothing to do with fighting or even being a Marine.

What "requisite skills" only taught to Marines do you think are required?

Again, it has nothing whatsoever to do with fighting.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[quade 4]

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. . . it might help to recall that almost ever insurrection started with killing off all the professors.

Well, I'm probably safe then. I'm not a professor of anything. Student of life and lifetime student. Professional observer and reporter of mankind's foibles. Arranger of words and thoughts. Editor of moments of life.

Some might say dilettante, but I prefer bum.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[NickDG 23]

>>I'm not a professor of anything.
Well that clears things up, you're just a dumb fuck, LOL.

NickD

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Well that clears things up, you're just a dumb fuck, LOL.

No, I still hear pretty well. However, unless there's something about your educational background I don't know about, I think we're about even on that score . . . more or less . . . give or take a few years of classes overseen by some large bronze bear just north of Westwood.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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. . .

I'm not a professor of anything. .

Which is becoming more and more abundantly clear

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?

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[Niki1 2]

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I remember my three Drill Instructor’s names and faces like it was yesterday and as funny as it sounds I can honestly say, and without any shame, I sort of love those guys.

What kind of person goes through that kind of boot camp, and then upon completion looks at the drill instructor and says to themselves, "God I'd love to be that guy".

Because the things they taught you helped keep you alive in combat. And later on in life, you could find a way to overcome difficuties.

Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossilbe before they were done.
Louis D Brandeis

Where are we going and why are we in this basket?

[NickDG 23]

Sorry, Qaude, I shouldn't have said that.

I got a bit carried away there . . .

NickD