NickDG 23 #1 June 9, 2010 So which one of these morons stabbed the brakes? http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/08/wwii.biplane.flips/index.html?hpt=T3 NickD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites piisfish 140 #2 June 9, 2010 flip happens scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MikeJD 0 #3 June 9, 2010 Damn. At least it looks like the damage was fairly minor. Still sad to see a Stearman upside down though. The only good way to see one in that position is a few thousand feet up when you're falling away from it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CSpenceFLY 1 #4 June 9, 2010 I'm betting passenger had their feet planted firmly on the brakes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites davelepka 4 #5 June 9, 2010 Does it look like the brakes were locked up before touchdown? It looks like there was a whisp of smoke after the bounce of the left main, and then immediate smoke upon the actual touchdown. I know jest will 'smoke' the tires on touchdown, but that's at 120+ knots while the Stearman looked like it was doing about 40. Maybe an in-flight problem caused in increase in pressure in the brake system? The article mentioned this was part of a multi-plane promotional flight landing at Reagan Intl., so I would assume the pilot is not a 'newbie'. I'm not sure if there are brakes in both seats of the Stearman, but even if there was I would think that the pillot might feel the passenger wailing on the pedals hard enough to lock up the wheels. I do like how they claim only damage to the tail, upper wing and prop, and they leave out the part about the very expensive prop-strike inspection and repair to the big radial up front. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyrider 0 #6 June 9, 2010 I saw them righting it on the morning news, they should have shown the flip instead! (The passenger has brakes pedals?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NickDG 23 #7 June 9, 2010 Yes, the guy in the front seat, a reporter of some sort in this case, normally has access to full controls, but the rudder pedals (and the brakes attached to them) along with the stick can be easily removed and that's what most operators do when giving joy rides to non-pilots. Either the passenger braced himself with his feet at some point after touchdown (and activated the brakes) or the pilot was trying to land short, or keep the tail in the air, and just blew it. But that sounds unlikely. And so does mechanical failure. Those brake systems are fairly simple and when they do fail it's always in the no brake direction. And since they didn't swerve it would be a million to one both brakes locked up on their own at the same time. Yeah, they almost surely tweaked the crankshaft, so that motor is toast. NickD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riddler 0 #8 June 9, 2010 I understand they were used as trainers in WW2, and they expected students to flip them on landing. So rather than being a total anomaly, it's just a rookie mistake, I suppose.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyrider 0 #9 June 9, 2010 Kind of reminds me of Conasters luck with his triplane...crashed every time it was flown! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NickDG 23 #10 June 9, 2010 >>they expected students to flip them on landingI read that crock of bull on CNN too. Flip one once, or even ground loop a landing more than once and they'd tell you to pack your trash and "Have fun in the infantry . . . !" Initial military training was always better than that. They never expected students to crash, not even when they were cranking out pilots by the boatload. Military flight training didn't go into the dumper until around the time Bush ducked Vietnam for light duty in the Texas ANG . . . LOL! NickD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyrider 0 #11 June 9, 2010 I knew it.... It is Bush's fault! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NickDG 23 #12 June 9, 2010 Just can't stop myself sometimes . . . ! NickD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riddler 0 #13 June 10, 2010 Quote or even ground loop a landing Hey, even an AN-2 pilot can ground loop sometimes Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ifall 0 #14 June 10, 2010 Found a first person video of the flip. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e15_1276075587 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites futuredivot 0 #15 June 10, 2010 Stolen from the Stearman facebook page "Woke this morn' to a roarin' Stearman... how far off, I couldn't determine... started hummin' a tune from nineteen-forty-two... ain't it funny how a flight moves... when you just don't have a plane to choose... strange how a flight moves... airshows closin' in..." (a bit o' Seger for Stearmans)You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 16 #16 June 11, 2010 I keep hearing this song when I look at that pic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azEOeTX1LqM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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piisfish 140 #2 June 9, 2010 flip happens scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJD 0 #3 June 9, 2010 Damn. At least it looks like the damage was fairly minor. Still sad to see a Stearman upside down though. The only good way to see one in that position is a few thousand feet up when you're falling away from it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #4 June 9, 2010 I'm betting passenger had their feet planted firmly on the brakes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #5 June 9, 2010 Does it look like the brakes were locked up before touchdown? It looks like there was a whisp of smoke after the bounce of the left main, and then immediate smoke upon the actual touchdown. I know jest will 'smoke' the tires on touchdown, but that's at 120+ knots while the Stearman looked like it was doing about 40. Maybe an in-flight problem caused in increase in pressure in the brake system? The article mentioned this was part of a multi-plane promotional flight landing at Reagan Intl., so I would assume the pilot is not a 'newbie'. I'm not sure if there are brakes in both seats of the Stearman, but even if there was I would think that the pillot might feel the passenger wailing on the pedals hard enough to lock up the wheels. I do like how they claim only damage to the tail, upper wing and prop, and they leave out the part about the very expensive prop-strike inspection and repair to the big radial up front. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #6 June 9, 2010 I saw them righting it on the morning news, they should have shown the flip instead! (The passenger has brakes pedals?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #7 June 9, 2010 Yes, the guy in the front seat, a reporter of some sort in this case, normally has access to full controls, but the rudder pedals (and the brakes attached to them) along with the stick can be easily removed and that's what most operators do when giving joy rides to non-pilots. Either the passenger braced himself with his feet at some point after touchdown (and activated the brakes) or the pilot was trying to land short, or keep the tail in the air, and just blew it. But that sounds unlikely. And so does mechanical failure. Those brake systems are fairly simple and when they do fail it's always in the no brake direction. And since they didn't swerve it would be a million to one both brakes locked up on their own at the same time. Yeah, they almost surely tweaked the crankshaft, so that motor is toast. NickD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #8 June 9, 2010 I understand they were used as trainers in WW2, and they expected students to flip them on landing. So rather than being a total anomaly, it's just a rookie mistake, I suppose.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #9 June 9, 2010 Kind of reminds me of Conasters luck with his triplane...crashed every time it was flown! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #10 June 9, 2010 >>they expected students to flip them on landingI read that crock of bull on CNN too. Flip one once, or even ground loop a landing more than once and they'd tell you to pack your trash and "Have fun in the infantry . . . !" Initial military training was always better than that. They never expected students to crash, not even when they were cranking out pilots by the boatload. Military flight training didn't go into the dumper until around the time Bush ducked Vietnam for light duty in the Texas ANG . . . LOL! NickD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #11 June 9, 2010 I knew it.... It is Bush's fault! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #12 June 9, 2010 Just can't stop myself sometimes . . . ! NickD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #13 June 10, 2010 Quote or even ground loop a landing Hey, even an AN-2 pilot can ground loop sometimes Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ifall 0 #14 June 10, 2010 Found a first person video of the flip. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e15_1276075587 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #15 June 10, 2010 Stolen from the Stearman facebook page "Woke this morn' to a roarin' Stearman... how far off, I couldn't determine... started hummin' a tune from nineteen-forty-two... ain't it funny how a flight moves... when you just don't have a plane to choose... strange how a flight moves... airshows closin' in..." (a bit o' Seger for Stearmans)You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #16 June 11, 2010 I keep hearing this song when I look at that pic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azEOeTX1LqM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
