skyrider 0 #1 June 10, 2010 Your at the DZ, there is a 20 way coming up at sunset, your friend hasn't got a rig, BUT, another jumper offers them up one, that "You" know has sat for over 10 years in the back seat of a car, and was likely years out of date when left in the car.. They really want to make the jump, and not miss out on it! Do you warn them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #2 June 10, 2010 Is it a Racer? Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #3 June 10, 2010 Does it have herpes? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #4 June 10, 2010 Quote Does it have herpes? Somebody paid attention...letting a friend take a chance, is letting a friend take a chance!I WON'T! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #5 June 10, 2010 QuoteYour at the DZ, there is a 20 way coming up at sunset, your friend hasn't got a rig, BUT, another jumper offers them up one, that "You" know has sat for over 10 years in the back seat of a car, and was likely years out of date when left in the car.. They really want to make the jump, and not miss out on it! Do you warn them? Is the rig capable of offering up it's Health status to the jumper?You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #6 June 10, 2010 QuoteQuoteYour at the DZ, there is a 20 way coming up at sunset, your friend hasn't got a rig, BUT, another jumper offers them up one, that "You" know has sat for over 10 years in the back seat of a car, and was likely years out of date when left in the car.. They really want to make the jump, and not miss out on it! Do you warn them? Is the rig capable of offering up it's Health status to the jumper? Only the owner of it,(looking to loan it out) and the friend that knows it isn't safe! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #7 June 10, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteYour at the DZ, there is a 20 way coming up at sunset, your friend hasn't got a rig, BUT, another jumper offers them up one, that "You" know has sat for over 10 years in the back seat of a car, and was likely years out of date when left in the car.. They really want to make the jump, and not miss out on it! Do you warn them? Is the rig capable of offering up it's Health status to the jumper? Only the owner of it,(looking to loan it out) and the friend that knows it isn't safe! well by that raionale the owner, of the person with herpes (the vector), who is loaning said person out, should be the one offering up health status reports to persons who are interested in shagging the Herpes Vector.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hcsvader 1 #8 June 10, 2010 Seriously, Someone has a car that has lasted 10 years? Shit, I've gone through 4 vehicles this year alone Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #9 June 10, 2010 Quote Quote Does it have herpes? Somebody paid attention...letting a friend take a chance, is letting a friend take a chance!I WON'T! Are you posting this for someone else?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #10 June 10, 2010 At least Squeak is consistent. I'm starting to think he wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. None of his business and all. I am editing because I just voted and saw the results. Why is this poll looking different from the others? How is telling your friend that another friend's loaner rig is dangerous any different from the STD scenario? The loaner rig has been inspected by a rigger in the last six months. The sexual partner has a known defect. In that manner, the loaner rig scenario is less dangerous.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NovaTTT 2 #11 June 10, 2010 When I was faced with a similar situation the rig had been out-of-service for 9 years. I brought it up and the guy said he would have it rigged before jumping the next day. Well, it was pencil-whipped and the asshole jumped it full-knowing, then after landing asked me if I would now rig it. He thought he was the shit, admitting to the pencil-whip and 'getting away with it'. Back inside I pulled the handle and walked away - from the guy and the DZ, as the DZO was complicit. Homey don' play dat."Even in a world where perfection is unattainable, there's still a difference between excellence and mediocrity." Gary73 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #12 June 10, 2010 Good move. The sport is dangerous enough without stupidity in the mix.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #13 June 10, 2010 at least it wouldn't have a vigil inside scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtnesbitt 0 #14 June 10, 2010 At some point you have to allow people to assume risk on their own and trust they will do the right thing. This applies to sex, skydiving, base jumping, LIFE."If this post needs to be moderated I would prefer it to be completly removed and not edited and butchered into a disney movie" - DorkZone Hero Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #15 June 10, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYour at the DZ, there is a 20 way coming up at sunset, your friend hasn't got a rig, BUT, another jumper offers them up one, that "You" know has sat for over 10 years in the back seat of a car, and was likely years out of date when left in the car.. They really want to make the jump, and not miss out on it! Do you warn them? Is the rig capable of offering up it's Health status to the jumper? Only the owner of it,(looking to loan it out) and the friend that knows it isn't safe! well by that raionale the owner, of the person with herpes (the vector), who is loaning said person out, should be the one offering up health status reports to persons who are interested in shagging the Herpes Vector. So yoru saying you'd still allow yoru friend to remain ignorant, even though the cost coudl very well be their life? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #16 June 10, 2010 Quote Seriously, Someone has a car that has lasted 10 years? Shit, I've gone through 4 vehicles this year alone LOL, there are cars parked at Perris that have sat there for 20 years! I didn't say "running car"! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #17 June 10, 2010 QuoteSo yoru saying you'd still allow yoru friend to remain ignorant, even though the cost coudl very well be their life? Look, your friend, and this worn out Cougar of a backseat Racer want to be alone. Maybe they have a few drinks, listen to some music, get real comfy with each other. Stuff happens - they are both adults, they can talk about it before taking it to the next level. Don't you think? She shows him her card, he shows her his card. It's not difficult. I mean, really, if your friend is so desperate that he'll take this old Racer on a ride, then he really can't afford to be too picky..... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #18 June 10, 2010 I don't disagree with that statement as far as it goes. But if you see a student getting on the aircraft and notice the rig is unserviceable for some reason, do you not point it out? Sure, they might learn a valuable lesson. But they never get to apply it.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #19 June 10, 2010 Quote Why is this poll looking different from the others? My guess is that people often don't vote seriously in these silly polls. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #20 June 10, 2010 Quote At some point you have to allow people to assume risk on their own and trust they will do the right thing. This applies to sex, skydiving, base jumping, LIFE. Assumed Risk??? This is a Known risk! So you wouldn't even bother say "hey bro, that thing has sat for ten years is the sun, in a back seat of a car, ...it probably isn't safe? that is taking on too much to offer a friend? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #21 June 10, 2010 Quote Quote Why is this poll looking different from the others? My guess is that people often don't vote seriously in these silly polls. OK. So, when people don't take it seriously, they will tell me I'm jumping a risky rig. When they take it seriously (the other polls) they will let me jump into a rancid vagina or walk in on my wife with another guy?I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #22 June 10, 2010 Quote Quote So yoru saying you'd still allow yoru friend to remain ignorant, even though the cost coudl very well be their life? Look, your friend, and this worn out Cougar of a backseat Racer want to be alone. Maybe they have a few drinks, listen to some music, get real comfy with each other. Stuff happens - they are both adults, they can talk about it before taking it to the next level. Don't you think? She shows him her card, he shows her his card. It's not difficult. I mean, really, if your friend is so desperate that he'll take this old Racer on a ride, then he really can't afford to be too picky..... NOT desperate, "Ignorant of it's condition"...(but your post DID make me laugh! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtnesbitt 0 #23 June 10, 2010 Quote Quote At some point you have to allow people to assume risk on their own and trust they will do the right thing. This applies to sex, skydiving, base jumping, LIFE. Assumed Risk??? This is a Known risk! So you wouldn't even bother say "hey bro, that thing has sat for ten years is the sun, in a back seat of a car, ...it probably isn't safe? that is taking on too much to offer a friend? Maybe i misunderstood the scenario. I was under the impression the jumper knew the rig had been sitting their for ten years. At that point it is assumed risk...which is the same thing as known risk. All you can do as a friend is make sure someone is aware of what they are getting into. Trust me, watching a friend at an exit point about to do something risky isnt the best feeling in the world, but it is also their choice. When we brake it down we can apply that to anything as risk is all relative."If this post needs to be moderated I would prefer it to be completly removed and not edited and butchered into a disney movie" - DorkZone Hero Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #24 June 10, 2010 Quote Quote Quote At some point you have to allow people to assume risk on their own and trust they will do the right thing. This applies to sex, skydiving, base jumping, LIFE. Assumed Risk??? This is a Known risk! So you wouldn't even bother say "hey bro, that thing has sat for ten years is the sun, in a back seat of a car, ...it probably isn't safe? that is taking on too much to offer a friend? Maybe i misunderstood the scenario. I was under the impression the jumper knew the rig had been sitting their for ten years. At that point it is assumed risk...which is the same thing as known risk. All you can do as a friend is make sure someone is aware of what they are getting into. Trust me, watching a friend at an exit point about to do something risky isnt the best feeling in the world, but it is also their choice. When we brake it down we can apply that to anything as risk is all relative. Nope, (mayeb I worded it wrong) They are Totally Ignorant of it's conditon, That was the whole Point ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #25 June 10, 2010 This scenario is also putting the pilot's license at risk. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
