rhys 0 #1 July 1, 2010 1- Economically 2- If you are loaded for me my current car is pretty darn good economically. I have a 1989 toyota 1989 Toyota MarkII (aka-cressida) 2.4 turbo deisel. The 2lt is a very reliable and economical engine and the power steering, good suspention and overdrive make this car very comfortable to drive. It burns about 9 litres for every 100km and has only burned about a litre of oil in the last 7000km. i drive about 400km to my home city about every 2 weeks over mountains and windy roads so i'm sure i would get slightly better economy if was driving on flat straight roads... It cost me only $1000 to buy and I plan on spending another $1000 on it to bring it back to new condition. If I was loaded I would not go overboard but for interests sake I would buy a Tesla model S signature I like the generator in the chevy volt but the Tesla modelS are much nicer looking cars. if the roadster wern't so F'ugly i'd like one of those."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #2 July 1, 2010 You do realize you've posted two opposite requirements? 1) Economical. 2) Price doesn't matter. Or did you want two completely different ends of the spectrum? Edited to add Ok, I guess it's two cars. It's really your thread title that threw me off by the use of the definite article "the." Economically, I think you'd be hard pressed to get more bang for your buck than if you invested in a VW Golf TDI. "Money is no object" is way more difficult and oh so much more subjective. So much personal taste involved. For me though, I think it would be an Audi R8. Not the fastest nor most powerful, but oh so freekin' sophisticated and elegant. It's also a car you could actually drive in LA, get respect from valets, yet not look like a total nouveau-riche asshole in like if you bought a Lambo or Ferrari.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #3 July 1, 2010 Quote You do realize you've posted two opposite requirements? Sure do; 1 = Realworld 2 = Dreamworld Quote Economically, I think you'd be hard pressed to get more bang for your buck than if you invested in a VW Golf TDI. You can't get one of those for $1000, so you would have to drive some serious k's to get better economy than my car. they are a good car though."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #4 July 1, 2010 QuoteYou can't get one of those for $1000, so . . . You said, economical, not "pile of crap that is barely drivable." (Not that YOUR car is a pile of crap, but for $1000 bucks that's what MOST cars are.) If you wanted that get an old VW bug and just swap out parts from a junk yard when you need to, but it's certainly not the "best" economical car.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #5 July 1, 2010 Quote You said, economical, not "pile of crap that is barely drivable." (Not that YOUR car is a pile of crap, but for $1000 bucks that's what MOST cars are.) don't judge a car by it's price, you could buy a car of your parents for $100 that has a value of $20,000- for instance. I would be hard pushed to get my car for that price again if I tried, the engines are used in hilux (tacoma) utes (pickups) so quite in demand- low supply. Quote If you wanted that get an old VW bug and just swap out parts from a junk yard when you need to, but it's certainly not the "best" economical car. Horizontaly opposed engines have never been the best for economy (good for power), so not a good comparison, but a 1974 toyota corolla for example that was serviced regularly and looked after will be just as, if not mre economcal than many cars in the same class that are near new. Demand has grown on them but only a few years ago you could get them for around $500 in NZ. Economy is economy and the purchase price should be accounted for. My car is far from new it is 21 years old but it is reliable, comfortable, economical, safe and.... ..a vehicle. Too many people are hung up on new cars and would not be caught dead in a car older than a few years... ... those people are idiots! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #6 July 1, 2010 It's not the years, it's the milage. Beyond a certain point, a lot of cars just start falling apart.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #7 July 1, 2010 QuoteIt's not the years, it's the milage. Beyond a certain point, a lot of cars just start falling apart. ths is true, but to reiterate my point; cars were made to last (at least by the japanese) 20-40 years ago. A simple car with a carb. and no bells and whistles would last for more than 500,000ks if serviced properly. I have had a car with 450,000kms on the clock (1980 toyota corona - 3T) and it was economical, did not burn (much) oil and was a solid s a rock, some new cars don't last at all. the only reason that car died is because it was involved in an accident. my friends father is a taxi driver and they buy their own cars, he buys Toyota Camry's and keeps them hot, hires them to other drivers at night and services them on a schedule, he sells them when they hit 500,000ks and they are still mint, good cars with that milage. If you rev the shit out of 'any' car and drive it like an asshole it can/will fall to bits/break in no time... Some will fall to bits even if you look after them. I keep mine below 3500 revs (diesel)"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meso 38 #8 July 1, 2010 Sucking up to Sangiro with the sweet talk of the Audi R8 there eh? ;) Economically, I'd probably also maybe go for a Golf... I'm actually looking at getting a car shortly and the Golf is on my shortlist, along with the Honda Civic and a few other hot hatches- which are usually pretty good with fuel economy. As for money being no object.... Nissan GT-R ( http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/post-a276297-Nissan-GTR-R35-Vspec.jpg ). Amazing looking car, not for everyone since it has a very 'rally' look to it, which I like though. Or a Bugatti Veyron ;) If money was truly no object. ( http://nykotynethefuture.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/bugatti_veyron.jpg ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #9 July 1, 2010 For me one of the best cars I had was a 94 Pontiac Trans sport, European model with the 4 cyl 2.3 quade 4 LGO and manual box, I needed a 7 seater, It was without a dout the most confortable car I've ever driven, the captain style front seats along with the cruise control were a must on motorway trips. the self leveling rear suspension was a real treat when towing, once I'd swapped out the Cat for a decent Cat back I could get 7 to 8 ltrs per 100 Klms The downfall of the car was GM decided not to install a rev limiter. in the end the ommision of that simple little device killed it ( twice ) The second was a W41 out of an Achieva SCX Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #10 July 1, 2010 QuoteFor me one of the best cars I had was a 94 Pontiac Trans sport, European model with the 4 cyl 2.3 quade 4 LGO and manual box, I needed a 7 seater, It was without a dout the most confortable car I've ever driven, the captain style front seats along with the cruise control were a must on motorway trips. the self leveling rear suspension was a real treat when towing, once I'd swapped out the Cat for a decent Cat back I could get 7 to 8 ltrs per 100 Klms The downfall of the car was GM decided not to install a rev limiter. in the end the ommision of that simple little device killed it ( twice ) The second was a W41 out of an Achieva SCX gee that sounds like great economy for such a size of car... you can add a rev counter yourself and not exceed a certain rpm. I'll have to consider one of those when i'm in America nex time... is there many of them?"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #11 July 1, 2010 Unfortunatly in the States the Trans Sport was only available with the V6 3ltr or a 3.3ltr coupled to a 4 speed auto box and they were thirsty buggers. Only the European export models made in Terrytown NY had a 4cyl motor Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #12 July 1, 2010 QuoteSucking up to Sangiro with the sweet talk of the Audi R8 there eh? ;) I was unaware! Sweet geebus. QuoteOr a Bugatti Veyron ;) If money was truly no object. I too would love to drive one just once somewhere and get it up to it's top speed, but other than that, could you ever really see yourself driving it? Amazing vehicle, no doubt. It's unquestionably the peak of what cars may ever be. There may simply never be another time in all of history when an automobile manufacturer decides to go that insane on a technical demonstrator using gasoline power. Even at more than a million US per copy, Bugatti/VW/Audi loses huge amounts of money on selling the car due to the very low production numbers. I feel like it becomes more of a museum piece than an actual car.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,468 #13 July 1, 2010 Hi Rhys, A 'very' subjective question. For me currently: economically + ) '03 Toyota XtraCab pickup loaded ) '02 Lexus SC430 Does that cover both ends of your question? JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d_squared431 0 #14 July 1, 2010 Suh-Bah-Ruh's of course. They get great gas mileage for an all wheel drive and based on the make a lot of storage room for long trips. You can drive them to hell and back if you keep up with the required maintenance.TPM Sister#130ONTIG#1 I love vodka.I love vodka cause it rhymes with Tuaca~LisaH You having a clean thought is like billyvance having a clean post.iluvtofly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #15 July 2, 2010 QuoteSuh-Bah-Ruh's of course. huh, you will find those stacked 10 high at the dump in Queenstown NZ(literally), they are renowned for guzzling gas and breaking down and expensive to fix here in NZ, not sure if thay have the same specs here as in the States though. They are good cars when they go and our ski field roads have corrogated, metal roads so that explains the broken ones in QT. If the road is sealed I imagine they would last alot longer. Horizontally opposed engines have never been great on gas, it suprizes me that you say they are, what milage do you get out of your subie?"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #16 July 2, 2010 A blue one. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pontiacgtp00 0 #17 July 2, 2010 1. Mazda Miata: Fuel efficient, Simple, Inexpensive, Highly Reliable, Rear wheel drive, Excellent handling. Very Fun! 2. Lotus Elise: All of the above + Toyota engine, Excellent handling + acceleration, exotic like qualities at an 1/8th of the price. Fun as HELL! Edited to add: Oh and fat chicks cannot fit into either of these cars, that's just a bonus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #18 July 2, 2010 QuoteHorizontally opposed engines have never been great on gas Why would an opposed engine not be efficient?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #19 July 2, 2010 Quote1. Mazda Miata [Seinfeld voice] Not that there's anything wrong with that. [/Seinfeld voice]quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #20 July 2, 2010 Quote Quote 1. Mazda Miata [Seinfeld voice] Not that there's anything wrong with that. [/Seinfeld voice] couldn't be a BETTER way to put it! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #21 July 2, 2010 QuoteWhy would an opposed engine not be efficient? I'm buggered if I know, but the only cars I can think of that have thm are Subies, V Dubs and Porshe's. Light aircraft also use them. They give more power so I guess that is consistant with less fuel economy."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #22 July 2, 2010 Quote Edited to add: Oh and fat chicks cannot fit into either of these cars, that's just a bonus. That is goldenand yeah rear wheel drive is the duck nuts in my book too. I love oversteering and hate under steering...."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #23 July 2, 2010 QuoteQuoteWhy would an opposed engine not be efficient? I'm buggered if I know, but the only cars I can think of that have thm are Subies, V Dubs and Porshe's. Light aircraft also use them. They give more power so I guess that is consistant with less fuel economy. Why would they give more power? Just because you can think of a couple engines that are opposed, and they are powerful doesn't mean that is why they are powerful. It is no wonder at all that you are able to be misled so easily into believing the 9/11 stuff. Seriously, you really have no mechanical aptitude.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pontiacgtp00 0 #24 July 2, 2010 QuoteQuote1. Mazda Miata [Seinfeld voice] Not that there's anything wrong with that. [/Seinfeld voice] Just because your wife is too fat to fit in one doesn't mean you have to hate too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #25 July 2, 2010 QuoteWhy would they give more power? There is a slight power to weight ratio advantage in a properly designed opposed engine. It also takes up slightly less room. It's specifically because the jugs are opposed they can take up less space and therefore the entire engine weighs slightly less. When every ounce counts . . . it counts.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
