Oshkosh jet crash

[Phil1111 1,173]

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he is a NASCAR driver. 2 dimensional skills, lots of money and a huge ego. at least he did not kill the Mrs.

Sounds like he could afford to hire a competent pilot.

exactly!

Mr. Roush is a competent pilot with over 4000 hours of ME jet PIC time. A story about the jet involved in this accident and Mr. Roush is here:
http://www.flyingmag.com/pilot-reports/jets/its-all-about-speed

[futuredivot 0]

After talking to a WHOLE lot of other qualified witnesses, not quite how it went down-some details blown out of proportion

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[davelepka 4]

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After talking to a WHOLE lot of other qualified witnesses, not quite how it went down-some details blown out of proportion

Care to share your findings? Even the short version?

I saw a screen grab from a video of him on very short final extremely nose high, as-in higher than it would have been climbing out after take-off. I also saw a pic from further down the runway where the nose was pointed at least 45 degrees off runway heading, and the right wing was low and about to hit the ground.

Fill in the blanks?

[Calvin19 0]

I hate defending a NASCAR muppet in any way, but if anyone else has flown into Oshkosh during the event you know it is pretty weird. The air traffic is controled in a very unique way as there is SOOO MUCH air traffic trying to land in the area. Nearly all radio is one-way for ATC, and aircraft are meant to comply or leave the area

Of course, this is NO REASON to fly unsafe, unpracticed landing patterns, but I bet he got flustered and overloaded flying such a fast airplane being instructed to land in such short sequence.

-SPACE-

[davelepka 4]

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I bet he got flustered and overloaded flying such a fast airplane being instructed to land in such short sequence.

Maybe, but at the same time controllers aren't going to ask a jet to fly the same pattern as a Cub. They would have allowed him the room to fly a standard pattern it whatever his normal approach speed would be.

On top of that, the guy has 3500 hours PIC in a Citation, and 800-some hours in the Premiere (not to mention all the time in smaller planes and his P-51). Hopefully when he's feeling better, he'll give us the full story.

If not, between interviews with the pilot and the 10,000 pilot-spectators, plus the info from his GPS and the wreckage, I have a pretty good feelnig the NTSB will figure this one with a high degree of certainty. It might take a year, but they'll get it done.

Speaking of which, did they post a preliminary report yet?

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", but if anyone else has flown into Oshkosh during the event you know it is pretty weird. The air traffic is controled in a very unique way as there is SOOO MUCH air traffic trying to land in the area. Nearly all radio is one-way for ATC, and aircraft are meant to comply or leave the area"

there is a nice little write up in the August issue of Sport Aviation with some good drawings of the event...I have been once, and since then started to fly a Weight Shift or "Trike"...I'll tell you this...I would never get in the air around that area...too many planes in the sky to make flying fun for me.

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[SkydiveJack 1]

Has anyone found a real link to an actual video of the approach and crash of Jack's airplane?

Every link I found on Google or YouTube is either a scam or shows post accident video.

[Calvin19 0]

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I bet he got flustered and overloaded flying such a fast airplane being instructed to land in such short sequence.

Maybe, but at the same time controllers aren't going to ask a jet to fly the same pattern as a Cub. They would have allowed him the room to fly a standard pattern it whatever his normal approach speed would be.

On top of that, the guy has 3500 hours PIC in a Citation, and 800-some hours in the Premiere (not to mention all the time in smaller planes and his P-51). Hopefully when he's feeling better, he'll give us the full story.

If not, between interviews with the pilot and the 10,000 pilot-spectators, plus the info from his GPS and the wreckage, I have a pretty good feelnig the NTSB will figure this one with a high degree of certainty. It might take a year, but they'll get it done.

Speaking of which, did they post a preliminary report yet?

whatever. I have 15 hours in a A320 and 5 hours in a 757. but I have never flown one alone.

-SPACE-

[Calvin19 0]

meaning, if all those 3500 hours are legitimate, he still messed up pretty bad. Highly doubt any kind of mechanical failure. that thing will fly fine on one motor, especially with only one girl in back.

-SPACE-

[davelepka 4]

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if all those 3500 hours are legitimate,

Read over the first part of this article, it outlines his flight training, qualifications, and experience to date. The article is at least a year old, so the reported 800 hours in the Premiere is probably in the range of 1000 to 1200 hours as of the time of the crash.
http://www.flyingmag.com/pilot-reports/jets/its-all-about-speed

I fully understand the 'more money than brains' concept, but this guy is accomplished enough (aviation wise) and has enough solo PIC jet time, that I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, and not assume that he just blew it.

It terms of mechanical failure, there are a lot more systems than just the engines that can fail, but modern jets have so many redundant systems (like the second engine), it is hard to imagine a failure leading to what happened.

Like I said, between Roush, and the 10,000 pilots who saw this go down (not everyone at Oshkosh was looking in the right direction), they have to be able to piece this one together pretty accurately.

[jumpwally 0]

....hey that doesn't mean much . there are plenty of skydivers with thousands of jump that went in,,,,

smile, be nice, enjoy life
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[ryoder 1,590]

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....hey that doesn't mean much . there are plenty of skydivers with thousands of jump that went in,,,,

And he is also 68 years old.
That is well into the age bracket where many people who were formerly excellent drivers in the past, start becoming dangerous on the road.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[NickDG 23]

First "As it Happened" photos . . .

(The "photographers" in the foreground are all lens and no balls!)

NickD

[kallend 2,146]

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I hate defending a NASCAR muppet in any way, but if anyone else has flown into Oshkosh during the event you know it is pretty weird. The air traffic is controled in a very unique way as there is SOOO MUCH air traffic trying to land in the area. Nearly all radio is one-way for ATC, and aircraft are meant to comply or leave the area

Of course, this is NO REASON to fly unsafe, unpracticed landing patterns, but I bet he got flustered and overloaded flying such a fast airplane being instructed to land in such short sequence.

I've flown in (in my Mooney) a bunch of times. It is indeed weird, and a much higher stress level landing than normal.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[JohnMitchell 16]

From some of the earlier posts, it sounds like he was put in a tight pattern more suited to a prop driven airplane, which can increase their thrust rapidly in low energy situations. The FAA advocates long, stabilized final approaches for all turbojet aircraft. Trying to bring a biz jet in like a Piper Cub is a job for airshow pilots doing demonstrations, not day to day operations.

Was there really traffic in the pattern that was a factor?

[Jumpdude 0]

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First "As it Happened" photos . . .

(The "photographers" in the foreground are all lens and no balls!)

NickD

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[futuredivot 0]

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I've flown in (in my Mooney) a bunch of times. It is indeed weird, and a much higher stress level landing than normal.

Mooney, Rock your wings.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[Calvin19 0]

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I've flown in (in my Mooney) a bunch of times. It is indeed weird, and a much higher stress level landing than normal.

Mooney, Rock your wings.

Mooney, Rock your wings. , , , Mooney follow yellow cub on 100' final at 45kts. Yellow cub be sure to do a short field rollout and hesitate as long as you want on the runway threshhold. Mooney DO NOT go around. rock wing if you will comply or GTFO

-SPACE-

[riggerrob 643]

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First "As it Happened" photos . . .

(The "photographers" in the foreground are all lens and no balls!)

NickD

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Yeah!
If you are that close to the scene of the crash, you are already dead.
Might as well shoot a few more frames and go out in glory!

[Beerlight 0]

Hope not a re-post. More photos......

http://jalopnik.com/5614781/jack-roush-plane-crash-series//gallery/1

[ryoder 1,590]

NTSB Preliminary report: http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20100728X70427&key=1

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[davjohns 1]

Happy Birthday Deedy!

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.