darrenspooner 0 #1 March 28, 2005 I had my first mal on Friday. My main went into a violent right diving turn on opening and quickly turned into a high speed spinning malfunction. At the point I chopped, the g force was so strong I had to use both hands to get to my cutaway. I probably wasn't going anything like 78mph downwards, but I was wondering if the cypres is sensitive to g force. Could it fire because of rotational speed? I know it establishes fall rate from air pressure changes, but could it fire during such a mal? Just wondering about the possible scenario of a two-out situation if I hadn't got to my cut away? Either way I suspect I wouldn't be here now, but just interested in the physics of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkwing 5 #2 March 28, 2005 The cypres does not sense g-forces. Also, I'm not sure why high g's would require two hands, since one hand probably didn't help the other get up to the cutaway handle. Are you saying that the spin up made it a hard pull? Do you have rigid housings on your risers? -- Jeff My Skydiving History Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #3 March 28, 2005 Here something to read......http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=335903#335903 Rotation won't aid a crypres in firing.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darrenspooner 0 #4 March 28, 2005 Wow, that's a blast. I do have hard riser inserts, but the best I can remember my situation was that I was violently spinning as my lines twisted up and violently rotating in another direction by the spinning mal. It sort of felt like I was a gyroscope, and my arms and legs were all over the place. I think I used two hands to get more direction as I reached for the cutaway. Like using one to steady the other. I do remember peeling and punching once but my hands coming off the cutaway. But it came out 2nd time. I got spat out real quick, but almost instantly my rsl pulled the reserve pin and I was instantly stable under my beautiful PDR. Needless to say, my main is on its way back to the manufacturer now, as that was the 16th jump since new, and at least 12 of them had hard diving turns to the right as the slider came down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huka551 0 #5 March 28, 2005 Were you able to determine why you were spinning? Muff Brother 3723 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darrenspooner 0 #6 March 28, 2005 What I remember is that my canopy opened, dived violently to the right which put my in a spin in the lines. I carried on spinning as the lines twisted up further, then it all started to rotate. I am sure the canopy is defective as this is something that numerous people have reported on this canopy. I've packed nearly 100 pack jobs now, and 12 out of 16 on this canopy have resulted in diving turns to the right, but I never has so much as a single line twist on my packing of 3 other mains, two of which were hornets of the same size, which are I believe similar to my main. I am happy to admit that there might be something about my packing or my body positoin, but I spoke with the manufacturer and numerous other people, and I've done everything that's been suggested with no change in the problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huka551 0 #7 March 28, 2005 Stay safe! Get that fixed Muff Brother 3723 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salsa_John 0 #8 March 28, 2005 I too have experienced hard diving turns to right on a Sabre. Mine were due to several closed end cells. I did not have line twists but it really makes me appreciate Scott Miller's canopy contro course. A couple of pulls on the toggles fixed prob. This is one reason I have switched to a Spectre. My 2c "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #9 March 29, 2005 QuoteI too have experienced hard diving turns to right on a Sabre. Mine were due to several closed end cells. This is one reason I have switched to a Spectre. do you mean sabre or sabre2? I've jumped several different sabre2s and noticed they do tend to turn a little on opening. haven't noticed it with sabres though QuoteI did not have line twists but it really makes me appreciate Scott Miller's canopy contro course. A couple of pulls on the toggles fixed prob. one thing to remember of course, if you have a turn and line twists, don't pull the toggles! MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
