What's wrong w/ this photo?

[Hooknswoop 19]

There is one obviously wrong thing, 1 point. Find the less obvious problem for the bonus points.

Derek

[DeNReN 0]

the B12 snap is stuck open...still looking for the second


Edited to add: the routing of the webbing through the buckle looks odd...hard to tell from the pic

[Hooknswoop 19]

1 point for DeNReN
Derek

[hookitt 1]

Thread through is backwards and webbing isn't routed properly.

My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto

[Hooknswoop 19]

We have a winner!

Look at the thicker part of the hardware at the bottom of the pic, it should be towards the leg strap webbing, it is backwards. Can't do this with step-throughs.

Derek

[DeNReN 0]

well I did say that the webbing routing looked odd in my edit (note the time of edit)

[AggieDave 6]

Whats more annoying is that this gear looks brand new or quite new and the B-12 is already stuck open not to mention the mis routing of the webbing.

Hopefully it didn't come from the factory like that...did it?

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[Hooknswoop 19]

OK, Denren, you get the bonus points too

It is an old J5. There was a ton of things wrong with it, the most serious is this buckle and the main closing loop tongue grommet faces the D-bag. It had been packed as recently as November of 04 like that. The cypres kit was installed poorly, with the cutter elastic held in place with 2 tackings, one of which had come un-done. The rig is a mess.

Derek

[AggieDave 6]

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It is an old J5. There was a ton of things wrong with it, the most serious is this buckle and the main closing loop tongue grommet faces the D-bag. It had been packed as recently as November of 04 like that. The cypres kit was installed poorly, with the cutter elastic held in place with 2 tackings, one of which had come un-done. The rig is a mess.

Out of curiosity, as a rigger do you contact the previous rigger to mention what you found wrong with the rig as a heads up "incase he/she sees the rig again" and more of a "you done screwed up a bit?"

As a non-rigger-gear-geek-jumper I would want to know if I had a rigger that did substandard work on my gear and would hope that the rigger that found the problems would contact the rigger in question, since as a non-rigger my opinion wouldn't hold water with the rigger in question.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[Hooknswoop 19]

I try to, but it is hard to track down riggers. I've found out that I am really not going to change or improve things, so I stick with trying to make my little corner of the world a better place.

Derek

[airtwardo 7]

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There is one obviously wrong thing, 1 point. Find the less obvious problem for the bonus points.

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Man...!

Nobody said NOTHIN' about there bein' a TEST
today...!

Can I do somethin' fer 'extra credit' ?

maybeeee bring my grade up....?!



Gee Hook..you look great today..been workin' out??

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[Hooknswoop 19]

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Gee Hook..you look great today..been workin' out??

Upon further review of the tape, airtwardo had the correct answer first and is the winner.

Derek

[Squeak 17]

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I try to, but it is hard to track down riggers. I've found out that I am really not going to change or improve things, so I stick with trying to make my little corner of the world a better place.

Derek

As a follow on from Daves' post, Tim if you come across gear in poor shape like that do you inform a "Rigger avvisory borad" or equivilant. I would hope that there is a governing body that contact riggers when shoddy workmanship is uncovered. They are people with which an very large ammount of trust is placed on them and their work.

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?

[councilman24 37]

No, in the U.S. there is no rigger oversight board or agency other than the FAA that issued the certificate. And they're not much interested unless someone dies. Many times by discovering the problem you destroy the evidence of who created the problem, i.e. break the seal, or even the probelm itself (mistowed bridle or PC). Under various due process ideals, rules, and laws the FAA usually can't do much if they don't know absolutely, and not based on a single persons word, that the problem existed and was caused by a certain person. I can only think of action against one rigger in the recent past. And PIA got most of that thrown out as a misinterpretation of the FAR's.

In the U.S. rigging certificates are good for life with no continuing education or recertification required.

I get the ASM and newsletters and so I see your incident reports and corrective actions. Sometimes I wish we had similar detail and oversight in this country. But, the magazine would be the size of a phone book every month if each low pull, etc was documented. I also appreciate your rigger recertification requriements.

The PIA Rigging Committee is willing to get involved if satisfactory results can't be obtained between riggers. We do have a reporting form that isn't widely known about and almost never used. http://www.pia.com/piapubs/TSDocuments/ts-116.pdf It probably needs some updating and editing. PIA hasn't pushed this idea because of a lack of man power. PIA is a completely volunteer organization and we have trouble getting done what we do now. We HAVE become involved whent he rigger finding something seriously wrong didn't want to talk to the offending person themselves. This includes other countries than the U.S. although obviously that is much more difficult.

Chairman, PIA Rigging Committee

I'm old for my age.
Terry Urban
D-8631
FAA DPRE

[councilman24 37]

You need a harder quiz. They were both obvious!

We've had students unthread the friction adapter on a v ring. Realize they screwed up and rethread it backwards like that. And they really have to work to get the fold back through the adapter!

I'm old for my age.
Terry Urban
D-8631
FAA DPRE

[jumper03 0]

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No, in the U.S. there is no rigger oversight board or agency other than the FAA that issued the certificate.

Which I'm finding to be un-nerving. What would you guys think of having to be retested every 2-5 years to make sure you're still on top of your game? Probably not realistic for the work load it would put on the FAA but I've been seeing way too much shoddy rigging lately and it pisses me off.

Jump

Scars remind us that the past is real

[nicknitro71 0]

Derek,

You get any sort of weird shit!

Memento Audere Semper

903

[Hooknswoop 19]

I see this sort of stuff all the time.

Derek

[riggerrob 644]

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No, in the U.S. there is no rigger oversight board or agency other than the FAA that issued the certificate.

Which I'm finding to be un-nerving. What would you guys think of having to be retested every 2-5 years to make sure you're still on top of your game? Probably not realistic for the work load it would put on the FAA but I've been seeing way too much shoddy rigging lately and it pisses me off.

Jump

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

The brighter riggers attend PIA Symposia every couple of years or assist with courses to train new riggers.
Arrogant riggers who "know it all" quietly fade from the picture when customers realize that they are not keeping up with the times.
Nothing worse than for a rigger to become the biggest fish in a small pond.

[nicknitro71 0]

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Arrogant riggers who "know it all" quietly fade from the picture when customers realize that they are not keeping up with the times.

And hopefully they won't kill anybody before fading away

Memento Audere Semper

903

[Gravitymaster 0]

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No, in the U.S. there is no rigger oversight board or agency other than the FAA that issued the certificate. And they're not much interested unless someone dies. Many times by discovering the problem you destroy the evidence of who created the problem, i.e. break the seal, or even the probelm itself (mistowed bridle or PC). Under various due process ideals, rules, and laws the FAA usually can't do much if they don't know absolutely, and not based on a single persons word, that the problem existed and was caused by a certain person. I can only think of action against one rigger in the recent past. And PIA got most of that thrown out as a misinterpretation of the FAR's.

In the U.S. rigging certificates are good for life with no continuing education or recertification required.

I get the ASM and newsletters and so I see your incident reports and corrective actions. Sometimes I wish we had similar detail and oversight in this country. But, the magazine would be the size of a phone book every month if each low pull, etc was documented. I also appreciate your rigger recertification requriements.

The PIA Rigging Committee is willing to get involved if satisfactory results can't be obtained between riggers. We do have a reporting form that isn't widely known about and almost never used. http://www.pia.com/piapubs/TSDocuments/ts-116.pdf It probably needs some updating and editing. PIA hasn't pushed this idea because of a lack of man power. PIA is a completely volunteer organization and we have trouble getting done what we do now. We HAVE become involved whent he rigger finding something seriously wrong didn't want to talk to the offending person themselves. This includes other countries than the U.S. although obviously that is much more difficult.

Chairman, PIA Rigging Committee

Often an experienced jumper attempts to perform a minor bit of work like sewing elastic on his risers to stow excess brake line and the stitching comes undone, as an example. I have even seen a main closing loop made from Cypres cord finger trapped incorrectly by the owner of the rig. Don't always assume a rigger did the work.

[PROGRESSIVE 0]

Curious, how was the finger trap made incorrectly for the main closing loop?

[Hooknswoop 19]

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Don't always assume a rigger did the work.

True, but if it is the reserve system and the rig was sealed, then either the rigger did the work, or packed it in that condition.

Derek

[Gravitymaster 0]

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Don't always assume a rigger did the work.

True, but if it is the reserve system and the rig was sealed, then either the rigger did the work, or packed it in that condition.

Derek

I wasn't specifically referring to this rig. I was speaking in more general terms.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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Curious, how was the finger trap made incorrectly for the main closing loop?

The loop size was apparently adjusted by pulling the cord back thru the body and when a knot was tied in the cord, the line coming back through was tied too low so it wasn't part of the knot. Hope I explained that clearly.

I've also seen D rings inserted backwards and pilot chute bridles attached incorrectly and conversions from ROL to BOC where the spandex was sewn poorly,all by the rig owner.