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It's interesting to note that the most at risk group for suicide is an elderly white male. Usually the most at risk race for suicide is White. Not always, though. In some locations Indian populations are very at risk. I heard that something like ten Kids died on the Wind River Reservation, in Wyoming, in a very short time.
What really bothers me is when young people want to kill themselves. I work in a middle school on an Indian Reservation. I've been in this school a very long time. Many of these kids are very troubled. Suicide has never been a problem until the last few years. We lost a student the summer before last to suicide. We lost another one this winter. Both of them hanged themselves.
We now have a large number of students who have suicidal thoughts dancing in their head. Suicide can be contagious, and it is happening in our school. There has been more than one attempt since the last girl died in December.
This morning there was a clinical psychologist who called. Three more girls tried to hang themselves last night. Two of these girls I have in a group with the psychologist who called. Yesterday they were laughing and having fun in school. I don't know all the details, but one of them can barely talk today. Her neck is that sore from the rope she was trying to kill herself with.
It makes me sick. They have so much to live for. It's hard not to blame yourself when this sort of thing happens. The good news is that they are still alive. One of them nearly died a month ago, when her sister found her passed out with a scarf around her neck. She wasn't breathing when she was found. What a close call! Then she tries again, last night.
I don't think most people realize how screwed up Indian Reservations are. There are so many problems here. The system is truly broke. Most parents here are alcoholics or have drug addiction problems. Violence is unbelieveable. There are burned out homes all over town. I'm not exaggerating, nor am I being predjudice. I think this is an accurate description. Even many Native people are moving out of town. It's that bad. Many have lost hope.
I've been working on this one for 25 years. I live off of the Reservation in a little town where my family is safe.
I think the worst problem is the tribal courts. You can turn in an abusive, neglectful family to social services or law enforcement. Usually absolutely nothing is done. If a child is removed from their home, they are traumatized by all that, and then they are put in another home that is just as dysfunctional as the one they came out of. Even the Native people, who live here, are fed up.
It's really hard to keep working as a counselor in such a place. What keeps me going is knowing I am helping some kids cope and survive another day in hell. All the money that our government poors into Reservations is not helping. It is usually wasted on things that aren't even needed. Little is spent on kids who need a home.
Sorry I'm so negative tonight. I need to vent!....
What really bothers me is when young people want to kill themselves. I work in a middle school on an Indian Reservation. I've been in this school a very long time. Many of these kids are very troubled. Suicide has never been a problem until the last few years. We lost a student the summer before last to suicide. We lost another one this winter. Both of them hanged themselves.
We now have a large number of students who have suicidal thoughts dancing in their head. Suicide can be contagious, and it is happening in our school. There has been more than one attempt since the last girl died in December.
This morning there was a clinical psychologist who called. Three more girls tried to hang themselves last night. Two of these girls I have in a group with the psychologist who called. Yesterday they were laughing and having fun in school. I don't know all the details, but one of them can barely talk today. Her neck is that sore from the rope she was trying to kill herself with.
It makes me sick. They have so much to live for. It's hard not to blame yourself when this sort of thing happens. The good news is that they are still alive. One of them nearly died a month ago, when her sister found her passed out with a scarf around her neck. She wasn't breathing when she was found. What a close call! Then she tries again, last night.
I don't think most people realize how screwed up Indian Reservations are. There are so many problems here. The system is truly broke. Most parents here are alcoholics or have drug addiction problems. Violence is unbelieveable. There are burned out homes all over town. I'm not exaggerating, nor am I being predjudice. I think this is an accurate description. Even many Native people are moving out of town. It's that bad. Many have lost hope.
I've been working on this one for 25 years. I live off of the Reservation in a little town where my family is safe.
I think the worst problem is the tribal courts. You can turn in an abusive, neglectful family to social services or law enforcement. Usually absolutely nothing is done. If a child is removed from their home, they are traumatized by all that, and then they are put in another home that is just as dysfunctional as the one they came out of. Even the Native people, who live here, are fed up.
It's really hard to keep working as a counselor in such a place. What keeps me going is knowing I am helping some kids cope and survive another day in hell. All the money that our government poors into Reservations is not helping. It is usually wasted on things that aren't even needed. Little is spent on kids who need a home.
Sorry I'm so negative tonight. I need to vent!....
Muenkel 0
QuoteI would never assist in a suicide under any circumstance.
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Never say Never...
A straight forward one line response tells me you may have given some thought to the issue, and have a firm stance for whatever reason...
Again, just curious...are your reasons~ social, religious, legal repercussion?
You're right, never say never. Anyone can be tempted into anything.
Why I did not post my reason was the fear it would send this thread to SC.
Since you asked, it is my religious belief. I believe in the sanctity of life from the moment of conception to natural death. I know a lot of horrible suffering may happen in between but it's not my call when myself or anyone else should die.
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Chris
I am new to this forum, but am glad to see so many people interested in reaching out to those depressed.
I have been struggling with depression well, since about 14 or 15. It's something that's always been there though, but 15 was when I got incredibly suicidal. I have been on and off multiple anti depressants and see more doctors, therapists, consolers, psychiatrics, etc. than I can count. When I got a little older, I learned a little bit of how to deal with it better myself. Until last year when my fiance broke up with me and a couple weeks after that someone very close to me passed away. I fell apart at the seams. I began drinking excessively, every day. I couldnt even drink beer anymore because it wouldnt do the job, just straight up rum. I somehow stumbled through my last semester of college and graduated but couldnt find a job. I would be working the same shit food job I had been at since high school, it only made me feel more hopeless about the future.
My best friend joined the army and left for bootcamp, and that was the very last support I had. I got really drunk one night and drove, got lost, and made a turn too sharp accidently, flipped my car and went to the hospital. If I wasn't wearing my seatbelt (which is a miracle too, since I was about 50/50 on wearing it), there is no doubt in my mind that I wouldve been killed. I walked away with only minor injuries. I was bloody as hell from crawling over broken glass to get out of the car, but I was just thankful I was the only one hurt in the mess.
Needless to say, I went to the hospital and after getting out of the ER I immediately checked in the a mental health ward to get my life in order. I'm learning slowly how to deal with life. I quit drinking (havent had a drink since that night), I was blessed with getting a great job, and have had a special woman enter my life. I'm really grateful all the opportunities and understanding that people have given me since the incident. Dealing with the legal implications is the most depressing part of all of it, but live and learn I guess.
The depression is something thats always there, and I'll always have to fight with. And thats okay. I'm just trying to take it one day at a time...
I have been struggling with depression well, since about 14 or 15. It's something that's always been there though, but 15 was when I got incredibly suicidal. I have been on and off multiple anti depressants and see more doctors, therapists, consolers, psychiatrics, etc. than I can count. When I got a little older, I learned a little bit of how to deal with it better myself. Until last year when my fiance broke up with me and a couple weeks after that someone very close to me passed away. I fell apart at the seams. I began drinking excessively, every day. I couldnt even drink beer anymore because it wouldnt do the job, just straight up rum. I somehow stumbled through my last semester of college and graduated but couldnt find a job. I would be working the same shit food job I had been at since high school, it only made me feel more hopeless about the future.
My best friend joined the army and left for bootcamp, and that was the very last support I had. I got really drunk one night and drove, got lost, and made a turn too sharp accidently, flipped my car and went to the hospital. If I wasn't wearing my seatbelt (which is a miracle too, since I was about 50/50 on wearing it), there is no doubt in my mind that I wouldve been killed. I walked away with only minor injuries. I was bloody as hell from crawling over broken glass to get out of the car, but I was just thankful I was the only one hurt in the mess.
Needless to say, I went to the hospital and after getting out of the ER I immediately checked in the a mental health ward to get my life in order. I'm learning slowly how to deal with life. I quit drinking (havent had a drink since that night), I was blessed with getting a great job, and have had a special woman enter my life. I'm really grateful all the opportunities and understanding that people have given me since the incident. Dealing with the legal implications is the most depressing part of all of it, but live and learn I guess.
The depression is something thats always there, and I'll always have to fight with. And thats okay. I'm just trying to take it one day at a time...
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The depression is something thats always there, and I'll always have to fight with. And thats okay. I'm just trying to take it one day at a time...
Thank you for sharing - I'm not comfortable posting about my struggles on an internet forum.
One day at a time.
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The depression is something thats always there, and I'll always have to fight with. And thats okay. I'm just trying to take it one day at a time...
Thank you for sharing - I'm not comfortable posting about my struggles on an internet forum.
One day at a time.
one day at a time!
to both of you!
“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.”
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
Jeffwxyz 0
QuoteQuoteIn summary I don't believe that depression excuses selfishness - especially when you have children that you have brought into this world. ]/reply]
Looks to me like you are, one or the other or all of:
a) misinterpreting the intent of the DVD
b) confusing being an asshole with selfishness
c) having no empathy for the guys' state of mind
d) over-reacting
e) giving the kids an impression that supports the idea that whatever he did is mentally damaging them.
f) having trouble dealing with your own emotions about this event
Popsjumper,
One thing that is for sure in life is that it is impossible to walk in someone's elses shoes. So unless you have had a parent threaten and/or commit suicide, you have no idea what it's like.
I grew-up with my mom experiencing depression that gradually became very severe. This depression lead her to make several poorly executed atttempts at it while I was around. Each time she did this it was slightly more traumatising than what I was already going through because she was drunk.
Further, shs many times threatened to shoot herself with my step dad's 357. These incidents were the worst. You have no fucking idea what its like to have you mom who is already screwed up because she was stupid drunk, arguing and fighting with anyone, get the gun and go outside with it threatening to kill herself. To top it off try this when you are 10 years old. My step-dad did what he thought was right and called her bluff, basically calling her a coward to diffuse the situation. This method made these incidents even more scary.
Now, I agree with suicide when you have a terminal illness. But when you have minor childern, you need to at least try and get help. A parent that commits suicide or even threatens, cause a lot of problems with their childern.
My mom eventually did commit suicide when she O/D'd on her boyfriend's perscription drugs. When she did, I was 27. By then, I was conditioned to the point that I knew that I could loose her, and as a result we were not very close. Also, when she did die, I felt that this may have been best because she was finally free from her pain. Of course, by then being a bit wiser, I felt that she should have the right to die, especially because by then I was no longer a dependent of her's.
Jeffwxyz 0
About the coward part.
I think there is an instance where if you commit suicide you may be considered a coward, although nothing to do with depression.
While growing up, a good friend of mine was sexually abused my an adult man. Eventually, my friend notified the police and filed wanted to press charges. Shortly after the police visited the accused, he committed suicide.
This may be considered a cowardly act. He did not want to face the consequences for his actions.
I think there is an instance where if you commit suicide you may be considered a coward, although nothing to do with depression.
While growing up, a good friend of mine was sexually abused my an adult man. Eventually, my friend notified the police and filed wanted to press charges. Shortly after the police visited the accused, he committed suicide.
This may be considered a cowardly act. He did not want to face the consequences for his actions.
Jeffwxyz 0
I also want to say that is nice to read what others go through. I suffer from mild depression myself. It is really hard to fight off the people who think that it is something that you can turn off like a light bulb.
Further, I suspected that there were a lot of people who find skydiving as a form of thearpy. I get a lot from it myself.
If I have not jumpped in a while, I feel drained and I need a lot of sleep. If I make at least a few jumps a week, I can go on about 25% less sleep, and can get up before the alarm. Also, I can deal with life's everyday BS much easier.
Further, I suspected that there were a lot of people who find skydiving as a form of thearpy. I get a lot from it myself.
If I have not jumpped in a while, I feel drained and I need a lot of sleep. If I make at least a few jumps a week, I can go on about 25% less sleep, and can get up before the alarm. Also, I can deal with life's everyday BS much easier.
RonD1120 62
As someone who has dealt with this condition, both personally and professionally, I offer the following for consideration.
Depression tends to be related to anger, fear and guilt. Depression itself rounds out what I call the big four of mental health issues. Relief from these symptoms can take many paths e.g., sex, drugs, rock 'n roll, etc. Usually, professional assistance is the last choice because it is difficult for the ego to surrender.
Of all the mental health diagnoses in the DSM-IV TR, depression is the easiest one to treat.
Of specific interest to skydiving and other extreme sports, my personal theory is that participants have a dopamine deficiency, thus inhibiting their sense of pleasure. Therefore, those individuals seek more potent sensory stimulation. Chronic problems develop when the individual is deprived the needed stimuli and becomes anhedonic.
Just my $0.02.
Depression tends to be related to anger, fear and guilt. Depression itself rounds out what I call the big four of mental health issues. Relief from these symptoms can take many paths e.g., sex, drugs, rock 'n roll, etc. Usually, professional assistance is the last choice because it is difficult for the ego to surrender.
Of all the mental health diagnoses in the DSM-IV TR, depression is the easiest one to treat.
Of specific interest to skydiving and other extreme sports, my personal theory is that participants have a dopamine deficiency, thus inhibiting their sense of pleasure. Therefore, those individuals seek more potent sensory stimulation. Chronic problems develop when the individual is deprived the needed stimuli and becomes anhedonic.
Just my $0.02.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
I can't even begin to imagine what it's like to experience what your mom put you through.. 
Skydiving, or any other activity that makes one feel alive, for that matter, is truly a wonderful anti-depressant! Just taking a hike in the mountains and feeling the sun on my back can be AS stimulating as a day at the dz.
THAT'S what prompted my original post - There are so many things that makes life worth living, if only we recognise them!
A VERY MERRY UNBIRTHDAY TO YOU!!!
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kbordson 8
QuoteOf specific interest to skydiving and other extreme sports, my personal theory is that participants have a dopamine deficiency, thus inhibiting their sense of pleasure. Therefore, those individuals seek more potent sensory stimulation. Chronic problems develop when the individual is deprived the needed stimuli and becomes anhedonic.
Just my $0.02.
That association make sense. I went on pubmed and found
Are nonpharmacological induced rewards related to anhedonia? A study among skydivers.
Franken IH, Zijlstra C, Muris P.
Prog Neuropsychopharmacol Biol Psychiatry. 2006 Mar;30(2):297-300. Epub 2005 Nov 21.Click here to read
i hate december!
“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.”
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
It's her choice, she is pushing us away, I think to make it easier for her if we are not too close.
Sometimes all you can do is tell your loved ones to please hang on.
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