maggott 0 #1 March 21, 2005 It's been too long! (or maybe not long enough) but I have an ancient rig... A PC! I am thinking of adding a second pilot chute (as we used to do)... it's been so long I can't remember how the second MA1 was attached... Anybody out there remember? The internet has not been helpful so far...~Maggott __________________________________________________________________________________ "Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #2 March 21, 2005 whenever you figure it out post a pic I have got to see a dual PC set up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maggott 0 #3 March 21, 2005 I know I've got a picture of it somewhere...... I just can't remember where! As soon as I get it figured out... I'll snap a shot of it and post it... the rig is as ugly as sin.... but the canopy's not too bad. I guess I should post a "wanted" for a cool, Para Pro harness and container (that was the first sport rig made for the PC...) it would sure be better than the extended B-4 container that I had back in the 70s and like the one I have now! There're not a lot of PCs for sale on the internet though! Blue Skies!~Maggott __________________________________________________________________________________ "Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,558 #4 March 21, 2005 I used to use someone's dual PC cheapo rig. It was tough to pack. The two PCs were attached on separate bridles to the apex. One was about 1' longer than the other. They were packed next to each other. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nitrochute 2 #5 March 21, 2005 there were at least 3 ways to do it.first and most common was to simply attach the 2nd p.c on the same bridle as the first(using the same loop).drawback is the pcs tend to fight each other as neither one is exactly vertical.the 2 nd way was to attach a second pc and bridle to the same point on the top of the sleeve or dbag.3rd way is to use something like an nb 8 pc with the grommet in the top and run a bridle through the lower pc to the second pc.there are some pics in poynters parachute manuals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #6 March 21, 2005 I thought about a set up like that while day dreaming. I figured the PC's would dance around each other and entangle and choke each other off. I also thought about a Dual PC on the same bridle. A smaller one on bottom, and a larger one above it attached to the apex of the smaller one. I know it is impractical, but would be cool to look at. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maggott 0 #7 March 21, 2005 Outstanding! Thanks! I just set it up using two on one bridle... I remember that is how mine was set up... I do remember that neither being vertical neither reach their full potential... I'll give it a spin... and then I may try double bridles as well. Thanks for the prompt reply!~Maggott __________________________________________________________________________________ "Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #8 March 21, 2005 QuoteI am thinking of adding a second pilot chute... Why? Is your first one not working? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maggott 0 #9 March 21, 2005 I haven't jumped it yet... it's just that the damn things so big and heavy... I want it to have all the pull possible, and enough spring to clear my burble. I remember massive pilot chute hesitations on my old rig... and was a little surprised that this beast only has one pilot chute... I had an extra MA1 kicking around, so I figured "why not throw it into the mix?". It's not just a rig; it's a nostalgia trip![sly~Maggott __________________________________________________________________________________ "Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #10 March 22, 2005 I have a rig that has a dual pilot chute. Both of the PC are attached via a LONG bridle on each. Both of them are the standard Military Surplus. One is a USAF MA-1 the other one is a NAVY.. not sure of the designation that has a much larger top ..and yeah they are a pain to stuff in one at a time and get the cones alligned and the ripcord pins inserted. EEESH cant believe this I found looking for a picture. http://www.pioneeraero.com/2-5_fre_fal.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #11 March 22, 2005 One USAF and one Navy pilot chute? Oof, that's got to be a tense pack job in there. But we all know which pilot chute really gets the job done, eh? -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #12 March 22, 2005 The two pilot chute set up was popular when MA1's were the only available Pilotchutes around. The days of the wing wars were on...and some people thought using two instead of one was easier than 'sitting up' to get clean air across your back. The problem was...just as often as not they wouldn't launch together and would actually be pulling against each other...one up and one down. added to the 2X's possibility of a PC in tow... Most guys that tried it either learned how to pull their knees up to disturb the burbble, or got a "HotDog" or "HotShot" pilot chute. They had about twice the spring as an MA1...but actually had LESS pull/drag force...still they worked great. Then Mr. Booth dragged us from the stone age and took the spring OUT! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #13 March 22, 2005 Want to jump it and see??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #14 March 22, 2005 Have you ever wondered why they were only in style for a short time? SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fergs 0 #15 March 22, 2005 QuoteOutstanding! Thanks! I just set it up using two on one bridle... I remember that is how mine was set up... I do remember that neither being vertical neither reach their full potential... I'll give it a spin... and then I may try double bridles as well. Thanks for the prompt reply! Fiorget the second PC - jump with one only and just sit up as you pull and it'll launch OK. Dual PC's caused as many problems as ones they supposedly solved. Blue Skies, fegs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCR10480 0 #16 March 22, 2005 I remember! It's attached to the same place on the bridle as the primary. At the end of your bridle you should find a loop. Both P/C's attach there. Stack one on top of the other for launch. __________________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #17 March 22, 2005 QuoteHave you ever wondered why they were only in style for a short time? Sparky 'Cuz the Hot Dog pilot chute came out and made life easier ? I used to use 2 MA-1's with my PC in a 4 pin container (the canopy was packed in a POD, which was sort of a wrap around version of a bag). I always thought it was because MA-1's didn't seem to have that much "spring" in them. But anyway, I swiched over to one Hot Dog and that's all it took. Eventually when I ditched the whole setup and got my Hanbury rig, I kept the Hot Dog and put it on the reserve. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,089 #18 March 22, 2005 >I have a rig that has a dual pilot chute. So do I! But it's a bit newer than that; it's a Reflex, and the secondary PC is on the reserve. Every time you see a 'new' invention come out, it's a good bet that someone has done it before. Crossbracing - airlocks - dual PC's - freeflying - ground launching - none of it is all that new. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
poppenhager 1 #19 March 22, 2005 2 pilot chutes is an accident waiting to happen.Just use the MA-1 and sit up when you pull .It will do a fine job anchoring a PC in a d/bag or sleeve to the air.On sub terminal from and airplane do a 180deg turn befor pulling because of foward speed. POP D47 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maggott 0 #20 March 22, 2005 I've never seen or heard (until now) of two pilot chutes causing trouble... I have over a hundred jumps on a ripcord main rig an dnever encountered a problem except pilot chute delay... I will heed the advice of those with more experience than my 28 years in the sport (you don't get this old in the sport by ignoring good advice from those with more) and keep on eye on that single pilot chute... I easily recall my old way of looking over my shoulder (1/4 barrel roll) as I pulled to disturb that burble... and I never had a problem...Who needs two pilot chutes anyway! The damn thing's in a sleeve, and as long as the pilot chute finds air, there's no way that things staying on my back! Thanks everyone for your input! Maggott D 5964~Maggott __________________________________________________________________________________ "Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #21 March 22, 2005 Go with a 6 or 7 foot bridle and the P/C will launch better. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peckerhead 0 #22 March 22, 2005 I remember an old buddy of mine had a 2 PC rig. When I asked him why he had two pilot chutes he said..... " Because I couldn't fit 3 in there!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maggott 0 #23 March 23, 2005 I'll probably create a new posting about this... but as long as I have some folks who remember PCs with Duaol Pilot Chutes, I might as well come right out and ask... (I know they're out there in people's basements, hidden away, unused).... Anybody know where I could find a harness and container system for a PC? If I remember right, it was called the Para Pro, a three-pin container... I've got the Belly wart, but this B-4 container and USAF harness have seen better days (even just for the occasional "history hop"). If anyone knows where I might be able to get my hands on such a relic, please let me know! Roll up for the Tragical History Tour! Step right this way! --Ruttles humor me! Maggott~Maggott __________________________________________________________________________________ "Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #24 March 23, 2005 I have a Mini-System and a Stylemaster... http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/gallery/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=Personal_Galleries/airtwardo&image=Stylin But they're ALL mine!!! There are plenty of old rigs around...put an ad in the classifieds on this siye. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyboy6554 3 #25 March 23, 2005 Here's a pic of my old 24 foot belly reserve with tri-vent mod; it is now a "trophy" on my fireplace mantel. Last packed in 1985. Probably still airworthy. I used it six times in the 70's! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites