RkyMtnHigh 0 #1 March 13, 2005 I had my reserve repacked November 28 or so and will soon be due for the repack..but last weekend a rigger inspected my reserve pin and was concerned about it's position in relation to the grommet. I asked why for the concern..and something about the area of the pin which narrows and pressure against the grommet and it breaking..all I was really wanting to know was "is this safe to jump? or not?" Is it possible that the pin simply slid down to that position in the threads? He didn't want to push any harder to readjust the pin position for concern it'd rip the threads. Any clarification would be helpful IF my question even makes sense. _________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian425 0 #2 March 13, 2005 Hi, I not a rigger; but, I just want to ask you a few simple questions. Your re-pack is due 3/28/05 only 16 days away. Is it worth waiting until it's due? Your rigger (who looked at it) is concerned. Is it worth waiting until it'a due? 87% of the days until re-pack are past. You got $43 and change worth of value from your $50 re-pack. Is it worth it to wait until it's due? I know I'm a newbie; but, I think that you know that getting it re-packed is the way to go. Please be safe. Too many people have gotten hurt this year already. I only wrote this because I don't want you to get hurt. For a re-pack that is almost due, just get it re-packed. See Ya and Be safe. B The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #3 March 13, 2005 Not sure what threads you are talking about, but it sort of sounds like the thicker part of the pin is against the grommet from the pin being pushed in too far. It is no big deal to reposition the pin. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RkyMtnHigh 0 #4 March 13, 2005 Hey Bri...he said it'd be fine to jump until my next repack, but to make sure I point it out to the rigger who does the repack and make them are aware of the "problem"...shit..I dunno..I was heading off to get on a load when it was called to my attention and I just played out all the possibilities in my head and was ready regardless. It's been okay since November 28 without problems _________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RkyMtnHigh 0 #5 March 13, 2005 QuoteNot sure what threads you are talking about, but it sort of sounds like the thicker part of the pin is against the grommet from the pin being pushed in too far. It is no big deal to reposition the pin. Derek Derek, it was actually the thinner (weaker) part of the pin directly on the grommet and I think he wanted to reposition it to where the thicker part was just at the grommet...wasnt pushed in far enough. He attempted to push it in further where it was supposed to be on the grommet but was concerned to break the thread..geez I dunno if that makes sense at all without seeing it _________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 42 #6 March 13, 2005 A picture would be worth a thousand words...."Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #7 March 13, 2005 Ah, you mean the seal thread. You do not want the thicker part of the pin against the grommet. Having the thicker part of the pin against the grommet could bend the pin. Sounds like your pin is fine. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RkyMtnHigh 0 #8 March 13, 2005 QuoteA picture would be worth a thousand words.... wish I could...I certainly would if my personal laptop didn't crash..I'm on my company laptop and tons of security and restrictions which prevent me from doing so. Just took some digital pics and it still isn't clear on the pic what I'm referring to. _________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian425 0 #9 March 13, 2005 If the rigger said it's ok, then do what you feel is right. I would trust the rigger opinion over mine every time. LOL Just want you to be safe. Can't have the nice ones getting hurt. See Ya, B The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RkyMtnHigh 0 #10 March 13, 2005 QuoteAh, you mean the seal thread. You do not want the thicker part of the pin against the grommet. Having the thicker part of the pin against the grommet could bend the pin. Sounds like your pin is fine. Derek Derek...I'm looking at it right now and you are right..it is the seal thread he was concerned about breaking..and pushed the bottom of the pin (as best he could) upwards with the wider part off the grommet..I think I understand better however he felt it should be farther up off the grommet. Thanks. _________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #11 March 13, 2005 OK, I get it. If the seal thread would break by sliding the pin up so that the thicker part is off the grommet, then it was seated too far when it was packed and sealed. Good catch on the part of the rigger. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RkyMtnHigh 0 #12 March 13, 2005 QuoteOK, I get it. If the seal thread would break by sliding the pin up so that the thicker part is off the grommet, then it was seated too far when it was packed and sealed. Good catch on the part of the rigger. Derek ...BINGO! Whew..this was so hard to articulate in words without seeing it. ..So ..is it a hazard for me to jump with it like this? _________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #13 March 13, 2005 Ok, pin seated too far. Can't back it out because he might break the seal. Only the straight part of the pin, not the sloping shoulder, should be on the grommet. But, he wouldn't of let you on the plane if he thought there was a safety issue. WITHOUT SEEING IT, it doesn't sound like you should worry. But, if it's seated that far when you pick it up next time question the rigger.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RkyMtnHigh 0 #14 March 14, 2005 Thanks..the rigger checked it out again today and told me that I needn't worry but to make sure to be aware of it for my next repack which I'm getting this week (earlier than due, but no biggie) along with the Cypres update issue all at the same time so I have peace of mind for the next weekend of jumping. Thanks for your input. _________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #15 March 14, 2005 We don;t have riggers seals here. Why were they introduced in the states? (conversely why were they not here)You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 42 #16 March 14, 2005 I like the seal because I know my rig has not been opened and reclosed without my knowledge or by someone not qualified to pack it. I presume this is why they were implemented here in N.A. They've been around longer than I have been jumping."Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #17 March 14, 2005 QuoteWe don;t have riggers seals here. Why were they introduced in the states? (conversely why were they not here) When the rigger uses his/her press to crush the little lead thingy it leaves a 3 digit “symbol” that identifies the rigger who packed the rig. The thread lets one know if the rig has been opened. At least that is the theory. It can and is bypassed on occasion. Why you have never had this in your country, your guess is as good as mine. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #18 March 14, 2005 It's available in Oz. My Packer A (=packs reserves, but no major TSO-affecting modifications allowed) puts a seal on. It's not common. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #19 March 14, 2005 is that Motzy? If so he's from Europe, which may explain why he does it, but he's the only on I've come across (not that I actualy check everyones rig for a seal)You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #20 March 14, 2005 Steve Smith in Wollongong/Picton does it. He's Poo Smith's cousin and Dave Smith's nephew. So he's sorta got it in the blood. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #21 March 14, 2005 QuoteWe don;t have riggers seals here. Why were they introduced in the states? (conversely why were they not here) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The original reason for lead seals - on reserves - was to identify which rigger last packed it and to discourage people from tampering with it. Similarly, overhaul shops frequently seal lockwire on aircraft components (i.e. hydraulic pumps). Most riggers use flimbsy cotton seal thread (around 5 pound breaking strength). The primary reason that Brits do not like sealing reserves is that some git sealed a reserve with E-thread (8.5 pound) - many years ago - scaring an entire nation! Hee! Hee! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
