Speeding Awareness Course

[popsjumper 2]

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i live in switzerland, but nevermind..

i do have a pretty compact car, but it has 174HP and a torque of 210NM. believe me, it's breaking every speedlimit in no time!

Maybe that's why you can't get girls.
Gert something manly, dude!

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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Either she has big boobies and the judge let her off easy or she has little boobies and the cops DON'T let her off easy.
Makes sense to me.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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I suspect if they were serving their personal desires, they'd be doing more heroic stuff than writing tickets for window tint.

Like buying doughnuts by the dozen instead of two at a time.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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Also spending time in the US we tend to bitch about how badly your cars handle! They "float" around corners and it is all about power/weight ratio. Our typical cars probably have half the HP but a quarter of the weight of an american car.

The majority of the North American car culture is geared towards driving mid size to large understeery front wheel drive automatic transmissions on big open predominately straight roads. To the car makers it is about "what is the least amount of trouble people can get themselves into while driving". People are too busy being distracted and are not doing what they are supposed to do, which is to drive. Keeping a car on the road is about balance, keeping all four tires on the pavement. When you brake weight is shift to the front, when accelerate weight is shifted to the rear. When you corner weight is shifted laterally and some traction will be lost. Unfortunately people are not taught these fundamentals and they get themselves into trouble because they expect the car to do all the work for them. If they only had some knowledge about what a car does while cornering maybe they would not have lost control when they took that last turn too fast (god I love when a lesser powerful car passes a more powerful car in the twisties).

Excessive speeding on public roads is wrong, bad and should not be done. But speed by itself is not the biggest problem. The biggest problem is that squishy object between everyone's ears and not using this squishy thing in conjunction with their eyes, ears and physical sensations the car gives you. Wait a second, you were right. Many (not all) modern cars are too floaty and do not give the driver proper feedback. I own two vehicles. A 1999 Jeep Wrangler and when you are motoring at 75 mph (125 kph) it feels fast (they must have used a Jeep when they came up with speed limits because it just feels right and you do not want to be going any faster). I also own a 1997 Porsche 911 and 75 mph is not that fast (it only starts to feel fast when you get her up over 120 mph or 200 kph). But even at 45 mph in the Porsche I can feel exactly what the car is doing in conjunction to the grip my tires have with the pavement (my Porsche 911 is a street legal car engineered from years of racing). Yes there are two problems with speeding. Number one is the person is often not using their brain. But the other problem with many (not all) modern cars are too floating and do not give the driver proper feedback as to how balanced the car is. There would be less accidents if car makers starting making cars feel fast at slower speeds.

What is the difference between understeering and oversteering? That is easy. When you understeer you get to see the tree you are about to smack. When you oversteer, you don't see it.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[davjohns 1]

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With so many cop shops SERVING in their OWN self interest and trying desparately to generate revenue instead of SERVING the people you have to know when you are entering a Revenue Generation Zone.

It looks like a GPS and does not have the beeledover the older detectors have that a Radar Detector Detector can pick up. The last ticket I got was a sleazy little fucker who picked me out of a group with his readar detector detector and I was not even going the fastest in the group.63 in a 60 zone... come on. THEN he lied about how fast I was going in court... 73 . OFFICER SERGEYEV of the Washington State PATROL is just another FUCKING LYING CROOK

Mmmmm....I've been a cop. They come in all sorts. Most don't bother to write you a ticket unless you are significantly over the limit. Others have no tolerance. They have lots of motivations. They all have one thing in common, the speeding driver cast the important vote.

You admit that you were breaking the law. But you blame the cop. Obviously, the cop was wrong for lying. But that has no bearing on your wrongdoing. The fact that he picked you out of a string is your bad luck. But, it is also no mitigation to your malfeasance. And, you are completely unremorseful. You went out and bought a device to make it safer for you to break the law and endanger other motorists. Now, you are online advocating its use by others.

Bad cop. Bad driver. Everyone loses.

You had a chance to make the situation marginally better by learning from your mistake. You passed.

Just something to think about. You are not a terrible person because you exceed the speed limit. You are not even abnormal. I just find it interesting when people try to deflect. I thought pointing it out stood the chance of being helpful to someone who reads this.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[Amazon 7]

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With so many cop shops SERVING in their OWN self interest and trying desparately to generate revenue instead of SERVING the people you have to know when you are entering a Revenue Generation Zone.

It looks like a GPS and does not have the beeledover the older detectors have that a Radar Detector Detector can pick up. The last ticket I got was a sleazy little fucker who picked me out of a group with his readar detector detector and I was not even going the fastest in the group.63 in a 60 zone... come on. THEN he lied about how fast I was going in court... 73 . OFFICER SERGEYEV of the Washington State PATROL is just another FUCKING LYING CROOK

Mmmmm....I've been a cop. They come in all sorts. Most don't bother to write you a ticket unless you are significantly over the limit. Others have no tolerance. They have lots of motivations. They all have one thing in common, the speeding driver cast the important vote.

You admit that you were breaking the law. But you blame the cop. Obviously, the cop was wrong for lying. But that has no bearing on your wrongdoing. The fact that he picked you out of a string is your bad luck. But, it is also no mitigation to your malfeasance. And, you are completely unremorseful. You went out and bought a device to make it safer for you to break the law and endanger other motorists. Now, you are online advocating its use by others.

Bad cop. Bad driver. Everyone loses.

You had a chance to make the situation marginally better by learning from your mistake. You passed.

Just something to think about. You are not a terrible person because you exceed the speed limit. You are not even abnormal. I just find it interesting when people try to deflect. I thought pointing it out stood the chance of being helpful to someone who reads this.

I think I need to set up a HTTP://LEO-HYPOCRITE-SPEEDERS.COM for people to post videos to./.. of the police and judges in the legal system that NEVER obey any of the traffic laws.

4 Lane freeway posted 60 MPH 1/4 mile from where it goes to 70 MPH on Interstate 90 ... that whole blend into traffic and let the really fast people go on their way has no bearing in YOUR PERFECT little world.. I suppose YOU drive 5 MPH UNDER the posted speed limit at all times...


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FUCK THEM

My electronics are better than THEIR nice little toys. Go give each other some fucking tickets... or the judge that NEVER drives the speed limit at all... and yes I know who my District Court judges are.

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I agree. It annoys me to no end to see a LEO vehicle driven in an illegal fashion. More than once I have called a dispatcher to talk to the watch commander about officers representing their departments this poorly.

Ordinarily, I obey the speed limit. There are times my speed gets away from me, but I try. I try to stay right on it and stay in the rightmost lane. I know others want to speed and it is not my place to get in their way. Back when I did speed, I paid my tickets without comment. I earned the ticket. I paid the ticket. Same goes today. I claim my mistakes without excuse.

Just answering your questions. Not insisting that you follow suit.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[riddler 0]

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a fine and points or a fine and the course

Gubberment doesn't care either way, as long as they get you to cough up some cash.

Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD

[davjohns 1]

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a fine and points or a fine and the course

Gubberment doesn't care either way, as long as they get you to cough up some cash.

Actually, fines are usually minimal. Ten to twenty dollars in most cases. The real expense is the court costs. Those are often in excess of a hundred dollars.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[Niki1 2]

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I speed daily.... I blend into traffic and seek to neither be an impediment to traffic not the fastest one around. I usually just cruise along in the right lane and pass the very slowest drivers who ARE impeding traffic. If the general flow of traffic speeds more than 10 MPH over.. I then certainly become an impediment. Most of the time.. I keep it within 5 MPH... even if most of the other cars are zooming past.
I am NOT some maniac driving 20 or 30 over the posted speed If I wanna go fast I can do that far better than most anyone else in the sky.

Very few of the jurisdictions here will write a ticket for anything less than 10 over the posted limit.

But when some low life cocksucking asshole trooper will lie about your speed....to generate "contacts" and revenue on a wide open lightly travelled stretch of Interstate just before his shift is over....... what cha gonna do.

The problem is... too many of the bottom feeders see a RED car or truck ( yes both my car AND my truck are BRIGHT RED and just can't help themselves.

[BillyVance 35]

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Mmmmm....I've been a cop. They come in all sorts. Most don't bother to write you a ticket unless you are significantly over the limit. Others have no tolerance. They have lots of motivations. They all have one thing in common, the speeding driver cast the important vote.

You admit that you were breaking the law. But you blame the cop. Obviously, the cop was wrong for lying. But that has no bearing on your wrongdoing. The fact that he picked you out of a string is your bad luck. But, it is also no mitigation to your malfeasance. And, you are completely unremorseful. You went out and bought a device to make it safer for you to break the law and endanger other motorists. Now, you are online advocating its use by others.

Bad cop. Bad driver. Everyone loses.

You had a chance to make the situation marginally better by learning from your mistake. You passed.

Just something to think about. You are not a terrible person because you exceed the speed limit. You are not even abnormal. I just find it interesting when people try to deflect. I thought pointing it out stood the chance of being helpful to someone who reads this.

I agree with all of that. Take responsiblity for what you do. Break rules if you want to but understand the consequences. If the speeding driver doesn't realize they're speeding, they are not paying enough attention to theire driving and should pay a price.
And this comes from some one who likes to drive fast. I made it from DeLand FL to Raeford NC in just over 6 hours once. One of the most fun drives I've ever had. If I had been stopped, I would have been thrown in jail. I knew that every time I looked at the speedometer.
What I don't do is drive aggressively. My following distance is closer to 4 seconds than 2. I don't "shoot the gaps". I stay in the right hand lane when possible. I use my turn signals before changing lanes. I'm looking a half mile down the road to see whats going on where I'm going to be in 20 seconds. I watch the other drivers who not be as aware as I think I am.
Yes, all of my precations are just a rationalization. I have realized that and now I don't drive THAT fast anymore.

Yeah, when I speed on the highway, I'm frequently or nearly constantly scanning the road as far as I can to assess the situation and plan my moves. Also I check for any possible speed traps: road construction equipment sitting on the shoulder, exit ramps, ends of median walls, etc. The trick is not driving aggressively, just be smooth. But yes, slow down when the need arises. Don't be a dick.

Although I have to admit, its really hard not to be a dick when there are other dicks out there.

I got pulled over once when I was on my way to work. As soon as I got on the highway, I ramped up to 80 and pulled in behind a car that was going 80 in the left lane. Then I saw the trooper behind me. Fuck. I pulled over to the middle lane, he pulled even with me, forcing me to look at him giving me the "follow me" sign. Then he went after the vehicle that I had pulled in behind and pulled that one over. As we both were rolling to a stop, the cop stopped behind me, making the other driver think he was off scot-free and started to drive off, but no, the cop pulled out from behind me and the other driver shut it down. He dealt with that guy first, then me. Sitting in his car with him, I said "I should have left home earlier", he pointed at me and said "there you go", and wrote a warning to me. Whew. It's all in how you react to the cop. If you do nothing to antagonize him and show him the proper respect, you have less of a chance of getting shit from him, regardless of whether he's an asshole or not. If you feel like you got screwed anyway, lawyer up and fight it in court.

Now another time I was driving a Toyota MR2 convertible and I had a wide open straight stretch of highway to work with, and decided to see how fast I could get it up to. I hit 120 mph! Then approaching the curve, I coasted. I was going about 87 when I passed the cop sitting on the shoulder just past the exit on-ramp. I didn't have the heart to tell him he could have busted me for 33 more mph!

12 or 13 years ago I had a Porsche 914 and loved that little mid-engined car. I had to go from Birmingham to Mobile, AL, one day, normally a 4 hour drive. I did it in 2 3/4 hours! Not one cop the entire trip!

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[davjohns 1]

BTW...Alabama State Troopers are tested quarterly on their ability to tell your speed within a specified margin of error. They are tested at different speeds for both them and the test vehicle. They don't have to use a gun and it will stand in court.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[BillyVance 35]

Yeah, I got the lion's share of tickets in both of my red Ford Mustangs.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[nigel99 607]

At least you have the excuse of sorry officer I didn't hear the sirens

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

[BillyVance 35]

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BTW...Alabama State Troopers are tested quarterly on their ability to tell your speed within a specified margin of error. They are tested at different speeds for both them and the test vehicle. They don't have to use a gun and it will stand in court.

And once in a while they'll use a plane, and time a vehicle from one mark to another, usually painted lines they know about on the highway, make the calculations, then radio a trooper sitting ahead who then makes the stop.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[BillyVance 35]

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At least you have the excuse of sorry officer I didn't hear the sirens

Actually, I am very visually aware of my surroundings due to my hearing loss. I have to be. I know if I don't and a cop is chasing me long enough to get pissed, it is not gonna go well for me when he gets to my car door!

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

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BTW...Alabama State Troopers are tested quarterly on their ability to tell your speed within a specified margin of error. They are tested at different speeds for both them and the test vehicle. They don't have to use a gun and it will stand in court.

The biggest problem with speed limits is the generic nature and the way people seem to be unable to use rational thought. On a sunny day at 11am I am pretty sure that 85MPh+ is safe on a UK motorway but in heavy rain 50Mph can be dangerous. The law is a blunt instrument.

That Alabama law is crazy and really opens the system up for abuse. At the very least bright red cars will attract more attention

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

[davjohns 1]

You would instinctively think so, but not really. What's the difference between he saw you speed and has the skill to know you were speeding vs. he used an instrument? He could lie either way. It's not like video evidence is required.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

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You would instinctively think so, but not really. What's the difference between he saw you speed and has the skill to know you were speeding vs. he used an instrument? He could lie either way. It's not like video evidence is required.

I guess that is a difference between the USA and the UK. In the UK you can't be convicted on the "uncorroborated evidence of a police officer". In my wifes case the letters have always stated that you can request copies of the photographic evidence. I believe the hand-held devices give a printout maybe someone who has been caught by one in the UK has a better idea though.

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

[davjohns 1]

I agree that there is great opportunity for abuse. For instance - the police officer says you didn't signal the turn - wrote a ticket - in court, you testify that you did signal. How is his word against yours considered 'beyond a reasonable doubt'? Corroboration would be very helpful and video cameras are definitely helping.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

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Then he went after the vehicle that I had pulled in behind and pulled that one over. As we both were rolling to a stop, the cop stopped behind me, making the other driver think he was off scot-free and started to drive off, but no, the cop pulled out from behind me and the other driver shut it down.

Wow. Whatever you think of cops (and in general I don't have a problem with them), pulling over two vehicles at once is pretty good going. And it also make him sound fairer - even though he already had his 'catch' with you, he still wasn't going to let the other guy get away with it!

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Then he went after the vehicle that I had pulled in behind and pulled that one over. As we both were rolling to a stop, the cop stopped behind me, making the other driver think he was off scot-free and started to drive off, but no, the cop pulled out from behind me and the other driver shut it down.

Wow. Whatever you think of cops (and in general I don't have a problem with them), pulling over two vehicles at once is pretty good going. And it also make him sound fairer - even though he already had his 'catch' with you, he still wasn't going to let the other guy get away with it!

Yeah well, the other guy was his primary target, having given chase to him right about the time I got on the highway. I simply fell in behind him before the trooper had caught up.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban