shropshire 0 #76 April 30, 2011 Quote Quote My gay friends were going ga ga....I don't get it. Maybe you should ask them nicely Bugger that (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #77 April 30, 2011 Quote Do neither you nor JM realize the P-51 was developed for the Brits, and not the 'Merkuns? We didn't really want them until you guys replaced the Allisons with Merlins. Both true statements. North American was told to tool up and produce P-40s for the Brits. They said they could design and build a better plane just as quickly as tooling up for the Warhawk. Thus was born the Mustang. But it's high altitude performance suffered from the Allison being only a single stage supercharger early in the war. The Merlin, with its 2-stage intercooled supercharger, provided the high altitude power that let the Mustang perform with the best of them. The production Mustangs came off the line with the AMERICAN built Packard Merlins, and the rest is history. God Save the Queen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #78 April 30, 2011 Quote Quote Do neither you nor JM realize the P-51 was developed for the Brits, and not the 'Merkuns? We didn't really want them until you guys replaced the Allisons with Merlins. Both true statements. North American was told to tool up and produce P-40s for the Brits. They said they could design and build a better plane just as quickly as tooling up for the Warhawk. Thus was born the Mustang. But it's high altitude performance suffered from the Allison being only a single stage supercharger early in the war. The Merlin, with its 2-stage intercooled supercharger, provided the high altitude power that let the Mustang perform with the best of them. The production Mustangs came off the line with the AMERICAN built Packard Merlins, and the rest is history. God Save the Queen. Great descriptions of Allisons, Griffons and Merlins here: http://www.thunderboats.org/history/ Lots of specs and history, esp. with respect to unlimited hydros. Now back to the wedding. Oh, I guess there's nothing else to discuss. Bride was beautiful. No major mistakes by anyone. Lots of pomp. No one mentioned any nasty rumors. Queen looked better than she has in years. Fergie's kids had nice hats. I guess that's about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #79 April 30, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote So you guys haven't been able to upgrade to jets yet? Did jets win the Battle of England ?? Why change something which ain't broken You're right. It wasn't jets, it was the P-51 Mustang that won the war. Wash your mouth out lad. Do neither you nor JM realize the P-51 was developed for the Brits, and not the 'Merkuns? Nope, never knew that .... That's why I love this site.. You can take the piss out of folks and learn new stuff... very humbling We didn't really want them until you guys replaced the Allisons with Merlins. Then, after the war, someone came up with the idea to drop those Merlins and Allisons into boats and unlimited hydroplane racing was born! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #80 May 1, 2011 QuoteWatching the Royal wedding makes me happy to not have to live to etiquette, it was more about (ahem) you know who than the happy couple, they do look happy and that is what matters, but geez man, my wedding was heaps better than that farcical codswollop... So who put a gun to your head and forced you to watch?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #81 May 1, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote So you guys haven't been able to upgrade to jets yet? Did jets win the Battle of England ?? Why change something which ain't broken You're right. It wasn't jets, it was the P-51 Mustang that won the war. Yea but did'nt they have to retro fit then with English engines to do it. A case can be made that the Merlins contributed significantly to winning the war by allowing the Mustangs to escort the bomber streams deeper into Germany. Before that the bombers were pretty much left to fend for themselves after the fighter-escorts had to turn back. WWII would have been lost in 1940 if it hadn't been for Merlin powered Hurricanes and Spitfires and the men who flew them.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #82 May 1, 2011 QuoteWWII would have been lost in 1940 if it hadn't been for Merlin powered Hurricanes and Spitfires and the men who flew them. QuoteNever in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #83 May 1, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote So you guys haven't been able to upgrade to jets yet? Did jets win the Battle of England ?? Why change something which ain't broken You're right. It wasn't jets, it was the P-51 Mustang that won the war. Yea but did'nt they have to retro fit then with English engines to do it. A case can be made that the Merlins contributed significantly to winning the war by allowing the Mustangs to escort the bomber streams deeper into Germany. Before that the bombers were pretty much left to fend for themselves after the fighter-escorts had to turn back. WWII would have been lost in 1940 if it hadn't been for Merlin powered Hurricanes and Spitfires and the men who flew them. Yes! The importance of the BoB can't be understated. Had the Germans secured air superiority over Britain in 1940 then the course of the war would have been very different (and very short-lived) and we would be living in a very different world today. This was, arguably, Hitler's greatest loss ...and still it took another 5 years to end the war. He made other serious blunders later in the war but those events may not have even been as important (or even have existed) had he won the BoB. For example, his "too late" decision to use the Me262 against the bomber formations would not have been an issue. There simply would not have been a relentless day and night strategic bombing campaign. No loss of cities and industrial centers. No loss of marshaling yards and bearing factories, No loss of oil reserves and aircraft factories. No loss of the Tirpitz and on and on. Resources used against that front could have been utilized in Russia and Africa. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #84 May 2, 2011 QuoteWeddings are fine. Honeymoons are better. Why wait?Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #86 May 2, 2011 Quote Quote Weddings are fine. Honeymoons are better. Why wait? LMFAO!! "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJD 0 #87 May 4, 2011 QuoteQuoteWWII would have been lost in 1940 if it hadn't been for Merlin powered Hurricanes and Spitfires and the men who flew them. QuoteNever in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few Sure is a shame that our finest hour was 70 years ago. It's about time we had another one! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #88 May 4, 2011 Indeed (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
