sundevil777 102 #26 July 5, 2011 QuoteQuoteWay back when it was first introduced, 4 valve per cylinder engines were rare in cars. Now 4 valves/cyl is very common, and all of those engines are effectively also hemis. I don't get it, as a 2 valve/cyl hemi usually has a highly domed cylinder head and piston, which are very troublesome in terms of causing preignition and getting good emissions. 2 valve designs have no advantage except in cost. I think it is all about marketing to the ignorant. Also, is a Chrysler still an American car? If it is, then so are most of the Hondas sold in this country. The Dodge Challenger hemi engines are made in Mexico, the car assembled in Ontario. Even a Ford F-150 has quite a low domestic content, about 60% if I remember correctly. Multi-valve (>2) per cylinder engines have been around for nearly 100 years, even in production cars. Perhaps a characterization of 'rare' is not appropriate. They weren't common to the ordinary car buying consumer in the states at the time of the original Chrysler hemi.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LongWayToFall 0 #27 July 5, 2011 Good point. Another thing I forgot to add: Giant combustion chambers like that, make it impossible to get any squish. Squish is one of those magical things that basically benefits all aspects, so you obviously want some. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #28 July 5, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Way back when it was first introduced, 4 valve per cylinder engines were rare in cars. Now 4 valves/cyl is very common, and all of those engines are effectively also hemis. I don't get it, as a 2 valve/cyl hemi usually has a highly domed cylinder head and piston, which are very troublesome in terms of causing preignition and getting good emissions. 2 valve designs have no advantage except in cost. I think it is all about marketing to the ignorant. Also, is a Chrysler still an American car? If it is, then so are most of the Hondas sold in this country. The Dodge Challenger hemi engines are made in Mexico, the car assembled in Ontario. Even a Ford F-150 has quite a low domestic content, about 60% if I remember correctly. If you really want want to know.. go buy one of the care s with the 426...1970 and before and go D R I V E it.... all will be revealed to you!!!! I've been there, done that. Of course much bigger valves and better manifold flow means improved power compared to a wedge combustion chamber. That was a long time ago. More powerful designs are now quite common. Yeah but sitting there bouncing up and down in the drivers seat.. at a stop light while holding onto that pistol grip...and then punchin it on green and getting slammed back into the seat... the sounds, the feel and smells of my Bird.. stil come back to me I do NOT miss trying to find Sunoco gas stations to buy 104 octane... or going to the local airport for AVGAS.... and doing it very very frequently at 4 or 5 miles to the gallon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #29 July 6, 2011 Quote It's definitely all about marketing. "Triple hopped." "Frost brewed." "As cold as the Rockies." Whatever makes people buy the product. That "triple hopped" cracks me up. Just about all beers are triple hopped. [laugh} Maybe next they'll be advertising "yeast brewed". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kingbunky 3 #30 July 7, 2011 Quote ... the sounds, the feel and smells of my Bird.. stil come back to me taken out of context, that's kinda funny."Hang on a sec, the young'uns are throwin' beer cans at a golf cart." MB4252 TDS699 killing threads since 2001 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #31 July 7, 2011 Quote Quote ... the sounds, the feel and smells of my Bird.. stil come back to me taken out of context, that's kinda funny. Yeah... well all the chicken and duck fuckers out there I am sure have much different memories of their birds... than I do of my SuperBird Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bertt 0 #32 July 8, 2011 Today's Chrysler Hemi isn't a 426 fire-breathing monster? Next you people will be telling me that those cars that race round and round every Sunday afternoon are really custom-built, tube-frame race cars and not Fords and Chevies just like I could buy at the local auto dealer? Those marketing guys get slicker every day.You don't have to outrun the bear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #33 July 8, 2011 Quote That "triple hopped" cracks me up. Just about all beers are triple hopped. [laugh} Maybe next they'll be advertising "yeast brewed".That's as good as seeing the surge protectors several years ago that were labeled "YZK Compliant"You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killler 2 #34 July 8, 2011 The 440 wedge was always faster off the line... The 426 hemi would start breathing around the 600 ft mark and never looked back... So in the 1/4 mile the hemi was quickest but in the 1/8 mile or street racing light to light the 440 was the motor to have... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #35 July 8, 2011 >Just about all beers are triple hopped. Except, ironically, beers like Miller, Bud etc which aren't "hopped" at all in a traditional sense. Rather than use hops during the boil (which gets messy) they extract the alpha and beta acids and hop oils from the hops and add them as a liquid extract during the boil. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #36 July 8, 2011 Quote >Just about all beers are triple hopped. Except, ironically, beers like Miller, Bud etc which aren't "hopped" at all in a traditional sense. Rather than use hops during the boil (which gets messy) they extract the alpha and beta acids and hop oils from the hops and add them as a liquid extract during the boil. YUCK! Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #37 July 8, 2011 Yummm, artificial Franken-Beer. It's much better than naturally brewed beer 'cause it's scientific and all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #38 July 8, 2011 Quote Yummm, artificial Franken-Beer. It's much better than naturally brewed beer 'cause it's scientific and all. Did you see my comments a bit higher up about how almost nothing we interact with today is made or works the same way it was 100 years ago? Life goes on, inventions and improvements are made, but hell, you can't really buy much of anything these days actually made, "the old fashioned way."quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #39 July 8, 2011 >YUCK! The highest compliment for a brewer is that they are consistent, and the AB/Inbev and Miller breweries are among the most consistent on the planet. It's all the same stuff, it's just processed differently (mainly to get more consistency and cut down on transportation costs.) I don't like the stuff myself but I admire the level of perfection they bring to their processes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #40 July 8, 2011 Quote >YUCK! The highest compliment for a brewer is that they are consistent, and the AB/Inbev and Miller breweries are among the most consistent on the planet. . . . I don't like the stuff myself but I admire the level of perfection they bring to their processes. Consistently Mediocre.I enjoy a mass produced Pilsner on a hot summer day as much as the next guy, but I think "delicious" is the highest compliment I would want on my beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #41 July 8, 2011 >but I think "delicious" is the highest compliment I would want on my beer. If you make enough beer you'll eventually make some outstanding beer. But being able to make it twice in a row is the key to being a really good brewer. Case in point - I made a peach wheat sour once (sounds odd I know) that came out just amazing. The natural yeast on the peaches did some late fermentation to bring a little sour out, which balanced the residual sweetness of the malt perfectly. It was the ultimate lawnmower beer. But I'll never be able to reproduce it because I won't be able to get the same yeast to restart at the same time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #42 July 9, 2011 Quote It was the ultimate lawnmower beer. ?"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #43 July 9, 2011 Quote Quote >YUCK! The highest compliment for a brewer is that they are consistent, and the AB/Inbev and Miller breweries are among the most consistent on the planet. . . . I don't like the stuff myself but I admire the level of perfection they bring to their processes. Consistently Mediocre.I enjoy a mass produced Pilsner on a hot summer day as much as the next guy, but I think "delicious" is the highest compliment I would want on my beer. But John .... DEAR.... what is that stuff that is usually seen in the hands of certain swooper and his friends at the DZ....?????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #44 July 11, 2011 >>It was the ultimate lawnmower beer. >? Lawnmower beers are low alcohol beers that are lighter and easy to drink when it's hot out. (And you can drink a few while mowing the lawn without cutting your toes off, or feeling like you just ate a big dinner.) The ideal beer is thirst quenching, not too heavy on malt or hop character, <5% alcohol. Breweries are starting to brew to this category; I think Saint Arnold in Texas makes a beer they call a lawnmower beer. Kolsches, fruit beers, wheat beers, lighter lagers etc all can work. Stouts - not so much. They are a subset of session beers, which are low alcohol beers that let you drink several in one "session." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites